KMitch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Honestly, I'm not bothered if Jack doesn't play for England this tournament. It just means he'll be less likely to return to us injured for next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I will actually be annoyed if he doesn't start tonight. There's no logical reason for it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He won't start, we beat Croatia , no chance Southgate rocks the boat 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, TRO said: I have to agree, Anonymous, in fact invisible....he has to pull his socks up, to get in to this team....then he can let his hair down. On a serious note.....I think Cesc Fabregas is right, Jack is deemed more important, coming off the bench...its paradoxical, but true. Jack is a player that takes time to grow into a game so he shouldnt be used as an impact sub, that should be Rashford and Sterling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, AVFCforever1991 said: He won't start, we beat Croatia , no chance Southgate rocks the boat Once again, Mings will be mercilessly dropped for a crocked Maguire... because... stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, AVFCforever1991 said: He won't start, we beat Croatia , no chance Southgate rocks the boat Just seen how much Southgate praised Sterling's play so definitely no chance of Grealish starting especially with Southgate spouting that he cant be influenced by outside noise....again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, nick76 said: Just seen how much Southgate praised Sterling's play so definitely no chance of Grealish starting especially with Southgate spouting that he cant be influenced by outside noise....again! "won't " be influenced, by outside noise. He see's Jack as a circus act......If he can resist the calls and still win, he will go down as a strong manager.....thats the essence of all this...and how he see's it. Personally, I have very mixed feelings......if they don't want to use him, all the better for us....lets have a fresh Jack back.....albeit, he does lighten up a dull show. but I feel sorry for him more than anything, because he deserves better. I think his selection was always under duress from Gareth. Edited June 18, 2021 by TRO 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, KMitch said: Honestly, I'm not bothered if Jack doesn't play for England this tournament. It just means he'll be less likely to return to us injured for next season. Or he might think that he’s going to have to leave Villa after all as the only chance he has of playing for England is if he’s playing for a club that regularly qualifies for Europe. But that’s besides the point, really. Jack deserves to play for England, and I think it’s a bit poor form for any Villa fan to hope that he doesn’t for our own selfish reasons. Edited June 18, 2021 by Ginko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ginko said: Or he might think that he’s going to have to leave Villa after all as the only chance he has of playing for England is if he’s playing for a club that regularly qualifies for Europe. But that’s besides the point, really. Jack deserves to play for England, and I think it’s a bit poor form for any Villa fan to hope that he doesn’t for our own selfish reasons. It’s more about clouds and silver linings I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Players with Jack’s obvious talent have struggled to get picked by England historically. Matt Le Tissier Tony Currie Stan Bowles just a few I thought of…..and of course Gazza himself was left gutted by Hoddle not taking him to France 98 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thug said: It’s more about clouds and silver linings I think. You’re probably right for the majority of fans, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He has to play tonight. He's the player most likely to be willing to do the dentist's chair celebration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: Your problem there is the belief that grealish is our best player That's pure opinion, he's not done anything for England yet, certainly nothing to justify the best player tag Southgate not giving him the opportunity to earn it is another thing... I don't care what he has or hasn't done for England, he's the best creator in that team and it's not even close, he's only behind KDB in the Premier League. In what world does a player who will cost 100m not start for their national team? Southgate just doesn't want to play attacking, risk taking football. He loves 3 at the back (zzzz), relies on counter attacks and set plays, in the last World Cup England scored 12 goals, only 3 of these were from open play. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, AndyM3000 said: In what world does a player who will cost 100m not start for their national team? One where 2 league winners and a CL winner play instead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, villa4europe said: One where 2 league winners and a CL winner play instead... I hate when people say 'league winners'. Why not talk about what that player has done in particular? The fact that someone has won a league/CL means **** all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, villa4europe said: One where 2 league winners and a CL winner play instead... Why does that impact selection? Tammy Abraham just won the CL but we aren't going to stick him ahead of Kane. Edited June 18, 2021 by AndyM3000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 No way he starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Nah, I reckon on for the 2nd half. Not ITK at all, but keep hearing more chatter on other forums that Jack to City is actually happening this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, villa4europe said: One where 2 league winners and a CL winner play instead... Why isn't Scott Carson playing in goal then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, TRO said: "won't " be influenced, by outside noise. He see's Jack as a circus act......If he can resist the calls and still win, he will go down as a strong manager.....thats the essence of all this. Personally, I have very mixed feelings......if they don't want to use him, all the better for us....lets have a fresh Jack back.....albeit, he does lighten up a dull show. but I feel sorry for him more than anything, because he deserves better. I think his selection was always under duress from Gareth. The ironic thing is that he is being influenced by outside forces in a lot of peoples mind. He's been stubborn not playing Grealish who is one of the best talents England have. He gets questioned about Grealish definitely but he also brings up Grealish indirectly a lot by overplaying how well Sterling played and previously players like Mount when the question was directing towards Grealish. Then he comments about he wont be influenced by outside noises which you can argue either way that he is by not including Grealish stubbornly despite that he should be or maybe he is just doing it because he doesnt want to play Grealish. I dont understand cutting your nose to spite your face mentally re your second line...it feels like stubborness. If it was just the first game the other day or saying we have to be careful because Jack has been injured but we know Southgate was reluctant to bring Jack into the squad when he first broke into the squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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