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17 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

he just played some funny instrument

Augustus Pablo will haunt you from the grave... it's definitely a melodica (He's probably the most famous player of one)

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21 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

a homeless man

Not to the same extent as you (well done, Tony), I was having a fresh air break outside the Pub (greyfriar's in Preston) 2 weeks ago, and obviously saw the homeless/beggar types loitering around outside. his one bloke asked me for some money so he could buy some food. So I had a chat with him, asked him his name, where he was from, what he wanted for tea and stuff. It was cold and drizzly. He was Polish, came over here for work, didn't currently have a job, had no money and no way to get back to Poland either. He wanted a pizza from a takeaway up the road, he said. As he was genuine, and genuinely miserable I gave him some money and went back inside, thinking he'd get the rest of the money off someone else. Went back out about an hour later, he's still there. Spoke to him again, he'd not had his tea, still. So I gave him the rest of the money and off he went, happy and bought his Pizza, and at least he was fed for the night. But what struck me was that firstly there are a fair old number of these people, secondly that they're utterly **** - stuck between a rock and a hard place. Thirdly that there's no council or voluntary orgs (in Preston) seemingly able to help them get sorted and lastly that standing in the rain for 3 hours hoping to get someone to give you 4 quid or whatever for some hot food is utterly miserable. Most people ignore these people completely, like they're invisible.

There's a whole lot wrong with our society.

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It’s very true what you say about there really being three groups, those not interested and winding up the window or walking past, those happy to donate at arms length, and those engaging.

Most days of most weeks, I’m probably in the second camp.

We’ve discussed the subject before and its really tricky to know when someone genuinely wants a couple of quid for a warm slice of pizza, and when they want a fix of something. Trouble is, on a cold crap drizzly day, that spice fix is likely just to get you away from your situation for a brief while. And who can deny that?

I tend not to give directly to street beggars. I suspect Keith and pizza guy would have got little from me. I will buy the Big Issue (I’m prepared for the price now, got massively embarrassed a couple of years ago when I’d got the price very wrong and didn’t have enough money).

Quite ‘lucky’ here in Cardiff as there are a few options to try and do a tiny bit to help. My conscience salving version of ‘help’ today was to simply camp in Big Moose coffee shop whilst the gang went shopping. It’s staffed by people getting a second chance, learning to hold down a job and move on from there. So I get coffee and toast, they get paid employment and a reference. 

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3 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

o I drove down there spoke to the taxi driver with a wheelchair ramp and told him the situation , he pretty much wound his window up and ignored me , thankfully the second driver  said yeah no problem I’ll follow you  to him and off we went  

Never ask the cab at the front of the rank, more chance at the back, they have longer to wait for a fare

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5 hours ago, blandy said:

Not to the same extent as you (well done, Tony), I was having a fresh air break outside the Pub (greyfriar's in Preston) 2 weeks ago, 

Oh all the pubs in all the world you chose the cheaper Wetherspoons in Preston

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35 minutes ago, Sid4ever said:

Oh all the pubs in all the world you chose the cheaper Wetherspoons in Preston

I didn’t choose it, Sid, my friend Pam did. 

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3 hours ago, welnik said:

Completely unrelated, but I was stopped the other day by a homeless guy in new street. Asked me to buy him a hot drink. "sure" I said "what would you like?" without batting an eyelid he said "large caramel latte please" 

Tickled me no end 

A man that knows what he wants :)  .. young kid did something similar to me when i was in the Gambia  , he came up to me on the beach and said I live in very poor family and don't have many clothes so when you leave could I have one of your old t-shorts  ... But not the one you wore yesterday , can i have the Nike one you were wearing on Friday please   :)

this was about 1990 , sadly these days he'd probably want my T-shirt to use as a tent :(

 

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The sad part is that by buying drinks and sarnies or whatever then you arent encouraging them to move on and seek the help they need.

It's a horrible situation all round but the help is there if they want to seek it. I really feel for the genuine cases but for me personally, the career beggars have made it difficult for everyone. 

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2 hours ago, Chindie said:

 'Neil! Let this lot out!' and provides us all with the best present anyone could ask for - being let out of New Street.

I presume this journey is related to starting your new job ? (congrats, by the way). I was worried that this episode with the ticket machine might've triggered off a flare up of your anxiety condition but no mention of it which is promising !

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23 minutes ago, Ingram85 said:

The sad part is that by buying drinks and sarnies or whatever then you arent encouraging them to move on and seek the help they need.

It's a horrible situation all round but the help is there if they want to seek it. I really feel for the genuine cases but for me personally, the career beggars have made it difficult for everyone. 

Its very hard not to be desensitized to it all looking at it from the other side. Take a walk down new street or any of the side streets off it and you'll be asked 10+ times for money, the only natural response to that is to start ignoring them. I gave a couple of quid to someone outside Briar Rose spoons a while back, felt quite pleased with myself for 5 seconds then by the time I got to the opposite side of the road "got any change mate". Yes its nice to help someone when you can but the problem is so much bigger than that.

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36 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said:

Its very hard not to be desensitized to it all looking at it from the other side. Take a walk down new street or any of the side streets off it and you'll be asked 10+ times for money, the only natural response to that is to start ignoring them. I gave a couple of quid to someone outside Briar Rose spoons a while back, felt quite pleased with myself for 5 seconds then by the time I got to the opposite side of the road "got any change mate". Yes its nice to help someone when you can but the problem is so much bigger than that.

This. I once jumped on a bus in to town to kill time as my car was in all day for repairs. I got off at the bullring and wanted to see how the old central library demolition was going and in the time it took me to walk up new street to the art gallery i must've given away £7 in loose change. I silently cursed myself for being a soft touch but no doubt if i worked in town then I'd probably be hardened to it all and blank most of them.

I was recently stopped by a homeless guy who asked if i could buy him some food from greggs - coffee and a pasty. It was a pleasure to do so, knowing that the geezer genuinely needed feeding.

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6 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Thanks.

Yes it is. My commute has changed a bit, for the better I hope. Anxiety is still there, still a massive problem, the train journey had me on edge all journey (though not as bad as my first day, where I got on a train that had been delayed by 30 minutes so over the short journey was literally wedged into a corner trying to do mindfulness), but I'm hoping I'll get better with time and get back to somewhere like where I was a couple of years ago at least.

Glad to hear you have started your job mate and you sound as though you are making big strides with your anxiety. If you can deal with the daily circus of New Street and the trains then you can handle anything! :cheers:

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10 minutes ago, Xela said:

Glad to hear you have started your job mate and you sound as though you are making big strides with your anxiety. If you can deal with the daily circus of New Street and the trains then you can handle anything! :cheers:

I started a couple of weeks ago but unfortunately picked up a really nasty bug so I've only done about 5 days so far, but it's good to be back to doing things. And earning some cash without having to flog stuff every couple of weeks...

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25 minutes ago, mottaloo said:

This. I once jumped on a bus in to town to kill time as my car was in all day for repairs. I got off at the bullring and wanted to see how the old central library demolition was going and in the time it took me to walk up new street to the art gallery i must've given away £7 in loose change. I silently cursed myself for being a soft touch but no doubt if i worked in town then I'd probably be hardened to it all and blank most of them.

I was recently stopped by a homeless guy who asked if i could buy him some food from greggs - coffee and a pasty. It was a pleasure to do so, knowing that the geezer genuinely needed feeding.

Im not having a knock at all but because they know people will buy them food and give them mo ey they have no impetus to move on from their 'spots' and seek the help from organisations that offer it. 

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