jim Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I don't care about Ings feeling. I want to play the best team and the best system and Ings is not better than Watkins for me. I’ll put it another way, Ings wasn’t signed to sit on the bench. Whether that’s good for the team we don’t know yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, jim said: I’ll put it another way, Ings wasn’t signed to sit on the bench. Whether that’s good for the team we don’t know yet. Well he either have to bench one of them or play an unfavorable system. We know our midfielders aren't strong enough to get away with playing in a 2. Look how poor we looked against Watford in a 2 and look how good we looked against Chelsea in a 3. It's so blatantly obvious to see what system we need to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 On balance, I think it's unlikely we choose to spend £30m on a bench warmer, and equally unlikely we signed a player without considering what we wanted them for. A single game against the european champions might not necessarily be giving the system a fair chance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted September 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I don't care about Ings feeling. I want to play the best team and the best system and Ings is not better than Watkins for me. Haha 1 game together, in which we caused the European champions endless issues and its something to complain about. There will always be something. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2021 Controversy for controversy’s sake. Also, I’m at Leamington Food Festival and I think I just saw him. Didn’t have the balls to say anything, but 99% sure it was him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: On balance, I think it's unlikely we choose to spend £30m on a bench warmer, and equally unlikely we signed a player without considering what we wanted them for. A single game against the european champions might not necessarily be giving the system a fair chance. That is true. But if you follow your logic, in this system we played yesterday there's no place for Buendia and Bailey. So did we sign THEM to be bench warmers? When everyone is fit, one of new signings will need to be benched unless we play some sort of 4-4-2 formation. And I see us stronger with 3 in midfield. For me, personally, Ings would be the one to bench. Edited September 12, 2021 by Czarnikjak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted September 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: On balance, I think it's unlikely we choose to spend £30m on a bench warmer, and equally unlikely we signed a player without considering what we wanted them for. A single game against the european champions might not necessarily be giving the system a fair chance. Exactly. Hard to see the club as it's run today making a big decision like that without some thought. And are we likely to play multiple systems depending on injury/oppsition/form? Yesterday worked well first half at least it seems, but wouldn't want to play that formation against, say, Norwich at home. Could see Ings, Watkins +1 as a fluid front three. Harder to see both in 4231, but then we have better options and depth on the wings, so it's not a bad thing if one had to drop out. Also allows us a lot more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted September 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 hour ago, alreadyexists said: Controversy for controversy’s sake. Also, I’m at Leamington Food Festival and I think I just saw him. Didn’t have the balls to say anything, but 99% sure it was him. With your avatar I'm a bit disappointed you didn't stand in the car park shouting "Dan! Dan! ....DAN!" 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Davkaus said: With your avatar I'm a bit disappointed you didn't stand in the car park shouting "Dan! Dan! ....DAN!" excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Strange opinions here. Ings didn't have his best games, he didn't really get any chances and thats all he needs. Looking at it realistically though he was playing with a new striker, in a team with a changed formation from usual, against the European Champions. He's done great in the last 3 games and he will be a huge asset to us this season alongside Watkins. I actually think first half Watkins and Ings linked up very well at times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 12/09/2021 at 12:41, Czarnikjak said: That is true. But if you follow your logic, in this system we played yesterday there's no place for Buendia and Bailey. So did we sign THEM to be bench warmers? When everyone is fit, one of new signings will need to be benched unless we play some sort of 4-4-2 formation. And I see us stronger with 3 in midfield. For me, personally, Ings would be the one to bench. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Are you sure Ings even player on Saturday ? I cant remember seeing him doing much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Talldarkandransome Posted September 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2021 Most of the last few seasons people moaned that we didn't have a plan b. Now we have those few extra players to enable a plan b or even c they are now moaning about having paid lots of money for bench warmers. Honestly, some of the comments on here make me wonder what the point of everything is. We now have several different ways of playing which will stand us in good stead for rest of the season and beyond. Its gonna take some time for everyone to settle though so let's not start labelling players as bench warmers just yet. Thats the best we have played against Chelsea for ages and with better finishing we'd have won that 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: Are you sure Ings even player on Saturday ? I cant remember seeing him doing much. Was totally shut out by the Chelsea defence. But the benefit of this was the space and opportunities consequently afforded to Ollie Watkins. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 43 minutes ago, Talldarkandransome said: Most of the last few seasons people moaned that we didn't have a plan b. Now we have those few extra players to enable a plan b or even c they are now moaning about having paid lots of money for bench warmers. Honestly, some of the comments on here make me wonder what the point of everything is Well yes eventually the ice caps will melt and we will all be dust. In the meantime I will continue to waste most of my spare time watching millionaires contractually obliged to follow a ball around a football pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Anybody else noticed how much he tracked back ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) On 12/09/2021 at 13:09, Davkaus said: On balance, I think it's unlikely we choose to spend £30m on a bench warmer, and equally unlikely we signed a player without considering what we wanted them for. A single game against the european champions might not necessarily be giving the system a fair chance. On one hand, I agree with you, on the other, I think, as we progress, so will our bench, in both quality and value. We simply have to do what's best for the team and opposition we are playing. Watkins is a better all rounder for me, and crucial to how we play, Ings is lethal on goal, I'm not sure how we find the balance, and how we keep both happy. People are also dead set against Ollie being wider ( Even though he seems to often drift anyway ), so it's difficult. However the other way to accommodate both would be to do the Liverpool system of basically 3 " forwards ". Bailey left, Ings central, Ollie right? Or some kind of system where Ollie plays slightly deeper, or vice versa. Having a couple of good, slightly disgruntled players on the bench, is seeming increasingly unavoidable. Edited September 14, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Can see Ings ending up being our new Barkley. His goals aside I've not been impressed with his general play, at all. Against Chelsea he ghosted. Playing Ollie alone up top is the obvious thing to do right now. I'm not writing Ings off I just get a bad feeling about that signing. I don't think he suit how we play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 49 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: On one hand, I agree with you, on the other, I think, as we progress, so will our bench, in both quality and value. We simply have to do what's best for the team and opposition we are playing. Watkins is a better all rounder for me, and crucial to how we play, Ings is lethal on goal, I'm not sure how we find the balance, and how we keep both happy. People are also dead set against Ollie being wider ( Even though he seems to often drift anyway ), so it's difficult. However the other way to accommodate both would be to do the Liverpool system of basically 3 " forwards ". Bailey left, Ings central, Buendia right? Or some kind of system where Ollie plays slightly deeper, or vice versa. Having a couple of good, slightly disgruntled players on the bench, is seeming increasingly unavoidable. That’s absolutely right, without a quality bench we have no options and won’t progress. Chelsea started the game on Saturday with 5 European Cup Final players on the bench. If we want to eventually compete at the top we have to think that way. I think the club know this, just some of the fans that need to get up to speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 12/09/2021 at 16:25, alreadyexists said: Controversy for controversy’s sake. Also, I’m at Leamington Food Festival and I think I just saw him. Didn’t have the balls to say anything, but 99% sure it was him. On his own or in the pocket behind Watkins? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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