villa4europe Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Jose is worse than **** Meghan always about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 It's just classic taking my ball home primary school bullshit. There's only 4 spots for CL in England, and 6 clubs want it. So they rig the rules to ensure they have it every time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rjw63 Posted April 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said: Well starting now.. today, i will personally be boycotting anything related to those teams. I will not watch a single game involving them as frankly it would turn my stomach. I don't watch them anyway unless Villa are playing them. I don't get why people want to watch other teams. Yes I know I'm in a minority but there ya go, I'm already doing my bit 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Genie said: Free fall? They are a win outside qualifying for Europe, have a cup final next week, have several world class players, a world class stadium... Free fall is a tad OTT. thats now the thing, why these clubs are desperate for this super league they cant have a business model based around an outside chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rino8 said: It's a PR job for Jose. While I'm sure he might feel that way this is a very convenient hill to die on. Exactly. Jose only worries about himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's just classic taking my ball home primary school bullshit. There's only 4 spots for CL in England, and 6 clubs want it. So they rig the rules to ensure they have it every time. Think you’ll find there are more than 6 clubs who want it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's just classic taking my ball home primary school bullshit. There's only 4 spots for CL in England, and 6 clubs want it. So they rig the rules to ensure they have it every time. It's more to it than that. The recent CL changes also means the financial CL pot they were sharing got smaller. Then add in the covid affected accounts, and clubs like Leicester, WH and us knocking on the door. It's all about money, but the CL part of it is just one aspect. What's so amazingly egotistic and mesmerisingly hypocritical about this is how they got to become the clubs they are. Ignoring the entire football league pyramid and the sport as a whole. In a war they'd been shot. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Silent_Bob Posted April 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, villalad21 said: You think the PL don't care about the money? Only reason they are against this isn't because of inequality. It's because they will lose out on their money pot. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And the PL is, among others, also Aston Villa. And we should look after our own interest. And if that interest is the same as every other club, except these six, then I don't have any trouble with that. The Premier League will be six clubs competing, and 14 more there just to fill up the league. It will be a league where only 1st, 18th, 19th and 20th matters. It will do major damage to the product that is sold to consumers all over the world as The Premier League. Which means revenue from PL will decrease regardless if the breakaway clubs are kicked out or not. But allowing them to stay means Villa, and the rest of the clubs in the league system won't be competetive and never ever will be in the future. Clubs like Villa will gradualy loose support. Why spend a lot of money on following a club that isn't going anywhere and never will? We will be 7th at best and the only really interesting thing will be if we are relegated or not. I hope the PL doesn't allow itself to be bullied by these clubs. Spurs is maybe a big club, but it's 60 years since they actually won the league. Arsenal was a great team maybe 15 years ago, but not today. Chelsea weren't doing very well until Abramovich bought the club. Man City has been a big club for just a decade, Liverpool won the league last season for the first time since 1989. Man U have been consistently good over a long period though. Over time, not over night, I think Villa, Leeds and some other clubs have the potential to replace some of these clubs as major brands. Maybe not 100%, but sufficient. But the breakaway clubs have a strong need to actually be in the Premier League. That's their bread and butter. Local rivalery and domsetic competitions is what they need to attract new generations of supporters, who subsequently is needed to fill their stadiums during their SuperLeague games. Without domestic competitions they will be just plastic clubs, participating in a plastic European competition that over time noone will care about. So if they are kicked out, damage will be done to the Premier League. But if they aren't allowed to play in the PL, they won't recruit fans. Which will jeapordise their long term future. Being strong in the home market is key for every business that want to expand. And that is what an exclusion from the PL will deny them. Short term the strength of their brands will attract some people to watch the silly Super League. Long term the combined marketing forces of UEFA, each nation's federation and the strong clubs that will remain within the UEFA umbrella will win. Over time the top clubs change. That has happened before and that will happen again. Regardless of what happens now, things will never return to what they were. A PL which isn't competetive or very interesting will lose revenue. A PL which doesn't include the breakaway clubs will lose revenue. If the PL allow these clubs to stay on, the PL is dead. And you know what happens next if they are allowed to stay. Soon they want a bigger slice of the PL money as well. Then they want to reduce the league to perhaps 16 clubs, so their domestic fixtures doesn't interfere with them flying out to China or New York to play their SuperLeague games. So it won't be a league system of 90 clubs, it will be six clubs and a bunch of feeder clubs. And that will kill football as we know it. Effectively and once and for all. It just can't be allowed to happen. If the PL and FA realise how strong their hand actually is in this "civil war of football", then all they need to make a credible threath of kicking these clubs out of domestic football. And these clubs will have no other choice but to give in. The key here is domestic competition and without it, these clubs are just soulless clubs particpating in a plastic league nobody will care about. Obviously there will be a short term cost of not having the attractive clubs in the league. Allowing them to stay will maybe be short term financial satisfaction, but it will be long term misery. It will kill football, it will kill the Premier League and it will kill every other club's dream of one day being among the best clubs. And that kind of take away everything that is valuable with football. It's no longer a sport, it's just entertainment. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Genie said: They are a win outside qualifying for Europe, have a cup final next week, have several world class players, a world class stadium... Free fall is a tad OTT. Maybe but Jose wasn't brought in to get them into Europe, it's CL or bust. Literally. They need the CL money to pay for that giant stadium and they need NFL games/concerts there too. Now they are hemorrhaging money hand over fist, their best player wants to leave, they won't be in the CL next season and their manager is a long way past his best. They are a club in crisis, even their official paint sponsor is taking the piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 How about the rest of the genuine clubs who are all for fair competition and the glory that "winning despite everything" offers, come together en masse and form a new competition without those greed stricken few? Why don't the FA, Uefa, The Bundesliga etc now all get together and form a new competition completey and simply ban all of those clubs from it! A new European league where in the top division you get to play Borusia Dortmund and Lyon, as well as the other teams from the other countries but in a League format. Imagine a European Premier League which was a new division placed above the Premier League and decided as normal by promotion & relegation of the bottom 3 clubs? So you would have a League made up of the likes of Villa, Everton, West Ham, Dortmund, Leipzig, Lille, Monaco, Lyon, Atalanta, Napoli, Milan, Sevilla, Villareal, Rangers, Celtic etc etc. You could have a whole season of those teams playing each other home & away and the true European champions at the end of it. This could replace the Mini, closed shop, "Champions" cup which it has now become after being totally destroyed by the greedy few. Eventually that silly, closed shop, uncompetitive league of theirs would be seen for what it truly is.... The equivalent of WWF wrestling.. a "staged" non competitive event basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 the cynic in me says that this Super League wont happen, but when they announce a coefficient type scenario ensuring the "big clubs" get their Champions League places year after year even if they dont qualify from their league, we silly idiot fans willl be expected to not notice they mostly got what they wanted by shadowing it in under the furore over the European Super League. If the Champions League is changed to ensure the pigs at the trough get their place regardless of merit and performance in a season, that would be terrible in of itself also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, rjw63 said: I don't watch them anyway unless Villa are playing them. I don't get why people want to watch other teams. Yes I know I'm in a minority but there ya go, I'm already doing my bit I like watching the leagues we play in, and tune into big competition semis and finals, that’s about it. Wouldn’t touch this shit with a barge pole though, it may as well be rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Makes you wonder if some of the pushback to the Saudis owning Newcastle wasn’t about politics, but the Big 6 knew the ESL was coming and needed to stop other big owners stepping in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, villa89 said: Maybe but Jose wasn't brought in to get them into Europe, it's CL or bust. Literally. They need the CL money to pay for that giant stadium and they need NFL games/concerts there too. Now they are hemorrhaging money hand over fist, their best player wants to leave, they won't be in the CL next season and their manager is a long way past his best. They are a club in crisis, even their official paint sponsor is taking the piss. I'm not sure how you know most of that stuff. I'm sure they feel they could be in a better place but this is just hyperbole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, rjw63 said: I don't watch them anyway unless Villa are playing them. I don't get why people want to watch other teams. Yes I know I'm in a minority but there ya go, I'm already doing my bit I sometimes watch when i want one of the teams to lose lol! I originally wanted Leeds to lose so we can finish above them... also to check out potential signings sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted April 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, villa4europe said: thats now the thing, why these clubs are desperate for this super league they cant have a business model based around an outside chance You are right. If you build a financial model for your club which necessitates the money from the CL, the only way to protect that model is to ensure year on year qualification. In a sense it is the duty to the shareholders of those clubs to make this happen. Which is why, along with the crippling losses incurred by owners, football can not and should not be run like a traditional business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted April 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: It's more to it than that. The recent CL changes also means the financial CL pot they were sharing got smaller. Then add in the covid affected accounts, and clubs like Leicester, WH and us knocking on the door. It's all about money, but the CL part of it is just one aspect. What's so amazingly egotistic and mesmerisingly hypocritical about this is how they got to become the clubs they are. Ignoring the entire football league pyramid and the sport as a whole. In a war they'd been shot. Spot on. Massive hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jareth Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 Actually quite certain that this will ultimately be stopped by parliament, there won't be a single MP who would be in favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted April 19, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, rjw63 said: I don't get why people want to watch other teams. Some people actually like football 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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