Delphinho123 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, PaulC said: Yes hes a much better finisher. Watkins can get there though! If I had to pick who to play out of the two it would be Watkins every time though Yeh I’m with you, Paul. I’d still like Watkins to play with Buendia just in behind. I don’t think Watkins and Ings have really clicked at all yet but that’s not to say either are bad players - I certainly rate both individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 30 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Yeh I’m with you, Paul. I’d still like Watkins to play with Buendia just in behind. I don’t think Watkins and Ings have really clicked at all yet but that’s not to say either are bad players - I certainly rate both individually. As a pairing they havent clicked with very little passing between the 2 . From listening to a PGR podcast earlier the most they have interacted in a game is 4 times so far. What was said though was their pressing is key to why Dougie Ramsey and McGinn are getting so forward and having a big influence on games . Thats football for you. They are playing for the team at the moment although Danny looks the far happier of the two. Ollie just seems very reserved although thats his personality i guess. Not exactly the most emotional of players when someone else scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: As a pairing they havent clicked with very little passing between the 2 . From listening to a PGR podcast earlier the most they have interacted in a game is 4 times so far. What was said though was their pressing is key to why Dougie Ramsey and McGinn are getting so forward and having a big influence on games . Thats football for you. They are playing for the team at the moment although Danny looks the far happier of the two. Ollie just seems very reserved although thats his personality i guess. Not exactly the most emotional of players when someone else scores. Yeh, I definitely think they’re contributing but there will come a time I think when they’ll have to link up more. Buendia is our record signing and right now i think id rather him replace one of Ings or Watkins than the midfield 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Question for you lot. It seems Deano will persist in playing Ollie and Ings up top with a 3 5 2 . Probably until we come unstuck. So could we play Buendia as one of the central 3 , probably on the right. Watkins Ings Targett Mcginn Luiz Buendia Cash Been trying to work out how we can get games for him and Bailey without screwing up our tactics . And thats without even thinking about Bidace and Traore . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 13 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Yeh, I definitely think they’re contributing but there will come a time I think when they’ll have to link up more. Buendia is our record signing and right now i think id rather him replace one of Ings or Watkins than the midfield 3. Competition is good though isn't it! I didn't think Ollie was at it last time out, although it's clearly just cos he's not been back long. I would have considered dropping him for Buendia to give him a bit more time, but with Bailey out I would expect us to accommodate both. Tottenham is a big big game for Buendia, if he wants to keep a shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Spurs goal was why you either fully commit to 5 at the back or you don't play it We were all over the shop, too deep, too narrow, no one stepped out, 2 players followed 1 run... You name it we **** it up 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: I thought this, then he did change it, and it got even worse Yeah he put Buendia in the wrong position. He isn't a cam. Norwich fans told us this. Edited October 3, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Its time he scrapped the 3-5-2. Yes we have got a couple of good results with it but today was awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, PaulC said: Its time he scrapped the 3-5-2. Yes we have got a couple of good results with it but today was awful Yeah, the fixtures are getting easier so it's time for it to go, I never really like it as a formation anyway. If we absolutely must have three central midfielders, you can still do so in a 4-3-3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Well, you'd have to say the 352 worked well when we played sides that came at us (Chelsea, United), it wasn't great for an hour against Everton but they were poor and when we scored we ran riot. Today, with Spurs sitting back, it just didn't work. Poor individual performances didn't help but we didn't really look like we had the discipline and were constantly caught out at the back. Time to go back to 4 at the back with wingers - which sadly probably means Ings on the bench, but we can't start them all. Hopefully Bailey is back but even if he isn't I'd still go 433/4231. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digavilla Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 At least show us that your team analysed the opposition properly, not just keep on playing the same formation just because you won the last game with it.. Shows you are a thinking manager & not another Brucie.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 If Bailey could not be injured 24/7 we'd have probably moved away from the back 3 already. Fingers crossed he can finally stay fit after the international break and start games, what Smith decides to do with Ings and Watkins though I've not a clue because I think it's clear they aren't working together for whatever reason. Buendia not looking good is probably another big reason we haven't moved back to wingers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted October 3, 2021 Author Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) playing zero creative players in the first 11 is criminal. Not playing Bailey (when fit), Bunedia or Traore, none of them!, in the first 11, is criminal, when we are playing literally nobody with creativity..... Watching Villa today was just hoof ball and hope, shocking to watch, we could string 2 passes together. I know we are a "work in progress", but this is our third year back in the PL, we have spent the best part of 325m on players in 2.5 years, its unacceptable to not be able to string 2 passes together or look more cohesive. Im not worried about the "loss" to Spurs, but the manner of it, it was pure amateur Sunday league stuff (again). Edited October 3, 2021 by MaVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I would defo go back to 4-3-3 for the next game. 3-5-2 for certain games but its not the players we have the formation for all the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 When was the last time we won a game when finding ourselves in a losing position? It seem to be score first and win or concede first and lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Yep. against the "top 4" teams the 3-5-2 can be valuable, but when we need to have that creative influence, we need more width and I don't know if having Watkins and Ings up top really helps with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Just now, villalad21 said: When was the last time we won a game when finding ourselves in a losing position? It seem to be score first and win or concede first and lose. ironically enough it was this fixture last year at the end of May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Bored of seeing Targett on the left. yes he got an assist but he also scored an own goal sprinting back to the position he should be playing. We have options, lets use them. Roll on Bailey coming back in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 There will be a lot of experimenting with this squad, so feel we need to be patient until the 2nd half of the season when we will have a better idea of what works best. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, MaVilla said: playing zero creative players in the first 11 is criminal. Not playing Bailey (when fit), Bunedia or Traore, none of them!, in the first 11, is criminal, when we are playing literally nobody with creativity..... Watching Villa today was just hoof ball and hope, shocking to watch, we could string 2 passes together. I know we are a "work in progress", but this is our third year back in the PL, we have spent the best part of 325m on players in 2.5 years, its unacceptable to not be able to string 2 passes together or look more cohesive. Im not worried about the "loss" to Spurs, but the manner of it, it was pure amateur Sunday league stuff (again). Yes its not the fact we lost to Spurs, its the lack of football we are playing. Its like Burnley or Wimbledon from the past. shocking to watch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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