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  1. Looks like we haven't signed Ings to be a backup. So it begs the question, how do we line up with him in the starting 11? Do we go old school 4-4-2? 4-2-3-1 with Ings up top and Ollie behind him?
  2. Just wondering what do people think our best team shape and personal is When you look at the way we played at the start of the season to now what had changed? To me at the start of the season we had Barkley grealish and trez with mcginn and luiz behind, I think for Barkley to play we need trez instead of Bert to do the donkey work To me our best spell was December when Jack, Anwar and Bert were playing with mcginn and luiz in behind, that attacking trio is more interchangeable thus causing more issues for the defensive team To me we can't have Bert and ross at the same time as they are both luxury players If you were to pick our strongest 11 what would it be?
  3. I havent been overly impressed with our set pieces for a while now, but the last few matches they've been really poor. We also dont seem to have a designated set piece taker, whether that's for corners, direct free kicks, free kicks from wings etc. At home to West Ham we had 3 different corner takers in the space of 10 minutes, from the same side; Traore, Grealish, McGinn. I cant see that the constant changing of taker benefits us. Would it not be better to stick with someone rather than have 3 or 4 players hit the front man once each game? Targett took that one to Konsa against Sheff U. I wonder has he taken many since? We had a free kick on the halfway line against Brighton, and Mings, Luiz and Konsa did that thing where they all slowly wander around it leaving it for each other. In the end, Konsa reluctantly had to take it and drilled it chest height to their full back and Sanson brought him down for a booking. Within about 5 seconds of us taking a free kick we had given away one to the other team and picked up a yellow. Felt like it was rushed as someone finally took responsibility. Just an aside on no one wanting to take that free kick, it feels like we are slowing play down a lot in general recently, maybe still feeling the effects of Covid? Why getting the set pieces right is increasingly important is that, to me atleast, we seem to be going down at slight contact in a lot of instances to win free kicks when we could instead retain possession in decent areas. The free kicks then arent coming to much, in the main.
  4. I don’t know about you, but I feel this is a problem area for us at the moment and one that seems to have developed more as the season has gone on. I thought Luiz and McGinn started the season pretty well but both have tailed off in my opinion. One thing I’ve noticed in the last few matches is how easily teams are playing through us. I watched Barkley closely against West Ham and Arsenal and he literally jogs around, not tracking men and marking space. Could this be the reason it looks so unbalanced at the moment? Is Ross under instruction not to track back. I can’t quite put my finger on it but that area of the pitch seems a problem for us and I’m not sure who our best three are to start matches. Persoanlly, I’d like us to go with Luiz, McGinn and Sanson/Ramsey next match as I don’t think Barkley is up to it nor do I think he deserves a start. He seems to make us worse as a unit in there. Don’t really want to turn this into a Barkley criticism thread but interested to see what everyone thinks. We have a thread for Summer speculation but I’d put a big, strong defensive midfielder at the very top of the list. UTV.
  5. I thought I'd start a topic on this as there seems to be a lot of chat recently about this area of the pitch and how we've struggled with it. Let's take Grealish out of the equation a minute because I think it's fair to say that whilst he's brilliant on the left, he was probably only moved there in the first place to mask our deficiencies out wide. He's also a world class player so he'd be brilliant in any position. I class our 'genuine' wingers as El Ghazi, Trezeguet and Traore. For me, none of them are good enough to start in this division. I''d argue that they're not good enough for any team in this division, let alone one with aspirations to break into the top 6. @Tomaszk put it brilliantly when he said that you could drop Trezeguet into a league 2 side and he'd fit right in quality wise. It's an area of great concern for the team at the minute because we seem devoid of creativity or any real quality in the final third. Our wingers are supposed to bring this to the side and they're not good enough to do it. Let me ask you this, would we be any worse off starting Cash and Targett as our wide players with Elmo and Taylor behind them? Of the three, Traore is probably the best but he should be a squad player at best next season and I feel our priority in the summer needs to be to bring in two quality wingers. If it costs the club 80m for these two players, then so be it. We really need to move both Trezeguet and El Ghazi on in the summer and whilst we won't get big money, they should still command a fee which should go towards their replacements. We haven't signed a decent wide player in ages and it's infuriating. UTV
  6. With 3/5 of our Centre-backs seemingly in and out of the treatment room what are the options going into next season? Who would you replace? Would you give Vlaar a new deal? Do we have any youngsters that are waiting in the wings like Donacien? Okore and Clark seem to have formed an excellent partnership which I think will flourish given time so for me we need an experienced back up centre half or two who aren't injury concerns and another young up and comer.
  7. nick76

    Subs

    Subs is something that dominates the Dean Smith thread. Obviously an important part of Deans job in influencing a game from timing, balance and the right player to bring on or take off. It seems though to be taking a complete dominance of the Dean Smith thread in a negative fashion when we are having one of our best times in recent decades and I think the vast majority of fans are delighted with Smith. So creating this thread to bring that discussion here and the Dean Smith thread can focus more on other parts of Dean Smith discussion.
  8. I think one of the most disappointing things about the game yesterday was our set pieces. Time after time we tried to play a short ball and work it into the box rather than crossing it in. It’s fine doing this once in a while but other times a good cross into the box works wonders. I’m not sure it’s even orders from the manager. Smith made a point of saying that he thinks goals from cbs are vital and in Mings and Engels we have two attacking defenders who can score. I think at times Jack and McGinn try to rush things as they see an opening or a chance. Yesterday there was even one corner taken before the cbs had even got into the box.
  9. maqroll

    Attacktics

    Where are the goals going to come from? Would playing a 4-4-2 with Davis and Wesley up top be something Smith considers? Also, if Matt Targett likes to bound forward from the back, I say get him in the side and bench Taylor. We need more attacking impetus. Hourihane needs to play and Luiz is more of a goal theat than Nakamba. Maybe the side for the Arsenal game could look like this: Heaton Guilbert Engels Mings Targett McGinn Hourihane Luiz El Ghazi Davis Wesley
  10. There's been quite a lot of discussion about our current tactics, especially surrounding the fact that we've just started to trial a 3-5-2 formation. Personally I think it's a terrible idea for our current set of players and I feel we're wasting time trying to use it in pre-season, I can't help but feel within a game or two we will be abandoning it and trying something different. With the current set of players we have, and assuming everyone is fit, what formation would you play? I'd go for a 4-3-3 with the following. Steer Elmo - Sulliman - Chester Hutton Thor Hourihane - Grealish Green Albert Davis When out of possesion i'd keep the formation really rigid like the above, however when it possession I'd give Grealish license to roam forward and get the wingers bombing forward whilst staying close to the touchline to open up space across the pitch. Davis has the ability to bring other into play even though he doesn't score much, I feel it's the most balanced side.
  11. allani

    Happiness

    I am sure that this should probably go in an existing thread but I couldn't work out which was best because it covers a few different topics. A non-Villa friend asked me how I felt after today's match and this was my response. ********************** In 2015/2016 when Villa were relegated from the Premier League we scored 27 goals in 38 matches. The season before we managed 31 in 38, The season before was 39. In 2012/13 we went on a bit of a spree and managed 47 (1.23 goals per game). The season before was 37 again (so that was 5 seasons at an average of less than 1 goal per game). Despite Top 10 finishes in 08/09 (6th), 09/10 (6th) and 10/11 (9th) we were still only scoring around 50 goals a season. In 2016/17 we scored 47 in 46 matches in the Championship. Last season we somehow managed to end up as the third top scorers in the division despite playing (for long spells) pretty dull football - especially away from home where Bruce's "safety first" approach really shone through. Indeed you probably need to go back to 2007/08 when we finished 6th in the Premier League and scored 71 goals in 38 games (only Man Utd and Arsenal scored more than us that season) to the last time when Villa played decent football that was fun to watch. In our last 4 matches we have scored 15 goals (3-0, 4-2, 5-5, 3-0) and it is suddenly fun to be a Villa fan again. Yeah but it is only Championship football I hear you cry. True. But those matches have been against the teams who are 3rd (away), 5th (home), 7th (away) and 9th (home), all are in decent form themselves and will probably all be in the hunt for promotion. Dean Smith is an absolute breath of fresh air. He wants to try and win every match. He wants us to attack the opposition and try to be creative. We haven't seen this for more than 10 seasons. To be honest I almost don't care what happens in terms of the final table - playing like we are is exciting, fun, entertaining... We will probably get turned over a few times, we will probably concede too many goals, we'll probably drop stupid points here and there - but I don't really care. Football is fun. Thank you Dean Smith. I hope that results keep going our way. I hope the board backs you with a couple of defenders in January and a keeper who can catch a cross. I hope we get promoted and I hope that we try and play the same way in the Premier League. I hope this sets the tone of the approach that this club will take under your management and beyond. Realistically we are light years behind the guys at the top but if we play attractive, entertaining, attacking football with the ethos of trying to win matches rather than not to lose them then I will be a happy fan.
  12. I only saw highlights on YouTube of last night’s match v Norwich City as I watched the CL with my Dad and Grandad instead but I noticed we conceded from yet another set piece. They seem to have been a problem for a long time, call it a lack of desire or whatever it may be, we just seem to be incapable of defending set pieces. For me, these are the basics of football, either man marking or zonally, we seem to have no organisation or leadership qualities when defending set pieces. I am interested to know other poster’s views on this, as it seems to have been a problem for a long time at this football club. In this division particularly, set pieces are so important, we’re too nice and pretty for me, particularly in midfield
  13. What is our best eleven with the new recruits? I'm finding it hard to pick and also to work out our best formation. It is nice to have options though! Seems to be pretty good competition in each area. 4-3-3? ---------Johnstone---------- Bree Terry Chester Taylor -------Jedinak-- Whelan------ -----------Lansbury-------- Green -----------------Elmohamady --------------Kodjia 3-5-2? ------------Johnstone--------- -----Chester---Terry---Samba----- Bree----------------------------------Taylor -------Hourihane---Lansbury----- -----------McCormack--------- ------Kodjia-------Hogan------- 4-4-2? ---------Johnstone---------- Bree Terry Chester Taylor Green Jedinak Whelan Elmo ------Kodjia----Hogan---
  14. Seeing as there seems to be a lot of discussion in player threads, thought it would be interesting to see what everyone's starting XI will be for the game against Hull. I'd go with a 4-2-3-1 (based on players being fit) -----------------------------Kodjia------------------------------- Grealish---------------Hourihane---------------------Green -------------------Lansbury-------Jedinak--------------------- Taylor--------------Terry-------Chester-----------------Bree --------------------------Johnstone------------------------------ Difficult isn't it...
  15. I'm a little bit excited about our squad. Think we have the strongest squad and team we have had since MON's first season. Gollini Bacuna - Elphick - Chester - Amavi Jedinak Tshibola - Westwood Grealish - McCormack Gestede Add to that: Bunn, Baker, Okore, Veretout, Gardner, Green, Traore, Cissokho, Hepburn-Murphy. Of course: Lescott, Hutton, Richards, Kozak, Steer, Bennett Possibly: Bamford, Diawara. That's not a bad core for a squad, is it?
  16. Just a little notice before we begin, no Lambert/Lerner hating please! After Bayern lost their game against Wolfburg and drew against Shalke, a lot of the German media suggest that one of Bayern's problems this year is the midfield partnership of Shwainsteiger & Alonso. As we all know, a few months back Paul Lambert had a little trip to germany to discuss football with Guardiola, and since then we have noticed a Bayern/Barca caricature of football being performed by the Claret and Blue; a lot of passing, keeping possetion and playing from the back. Shwainsteiger has only come into play recently after the injury earlier in the season, and since then Bayern hasn't clicked the way the used to (another example being their loss to Man City). It seems to me that as much as I love Sanchez and Westwood, we should learn from other peoples mistakes and never play with two holding midfielders. Adding to that, Cleverley is almost non existant and Delph has not impressed this season so far. We are playing our midfield way too deep, which of course has improved our defence (since there is no space to crack open a 6/7 person defense) but has limited us going forward. To add to my argument, Benteke, our shining star has become a little bit like... Lewandowski. Amazing player, but something just went missing all of a sudden. In my opinion, it's the deep lying midfield which does not supply him as much as they did at Borussia. Cleverley is not a bad player, neither is Delph, Sanchez, or any other of our CM. It's just the football that we are trying to play is limiting them What are your thoughts on this? Have we fallen into the trap of trying to imitate the best in the game and forgetting that even Guardiola can make mistakes?
  17. kurtsimonw

    Tactics

    This was the most frustrating thing for me yesterday. A flat 4-4-2, with a forward at left mid, hurt us. Especially as Wednesday played with Abdi wide who was always going to play a bit more centrally, meant we were completely dominated in the middle. The most annoying thing is, he didn't even need to make subs and could've easily just moved the personnel around. a 4-3-3 with Gardner/Westwood/Bacuna and Ayew/McCormack of gestede would've packed the middle a bit more, given better protection to the full backs and meant that Ayew/McCormack could drift around a bit. Hope it's not a sign of things to come, because RdM got it very wrong IMO.
  18. Van Gal tried a "3 @ the back" system with ManU but for whatever reason it didnt come off. Conte has changed the formation @ Chelsea to a 3-4-3 with some astounding success I think the secret behind this (not ignoring the calibre of players available) system is that Chelsea have 1 - "ballplayers" capable of building attacks up from the back 2 - 2 Dominant central Midfielders who can be disciplined under pressure and protect the back 4 but also able to pass and move the ball on up the pitch 3 - The 2 wide MF-ers not only track back but can both tuck in keeping a compact 4 in MF and support the attacks 4 - The 3 forwards are not only class but are not one dimensional players capable of pulling defenders out of position Conte always emphasises the word "work", something Chelsea players have been very cultured into from Vialli to Mourinho and back again. Fitness, work-ethic, positional sense and tactical awareness are absolute in implementing such a system. On paper it all seems very logical and fesible for an organised team to be able to implement a system that has the 3-4 part as the defensive wall with the front 3 prepared to work back and be available to get on the front foot quickly when they dont have possesion. Then the 3 forwards supported by the 2 "wide" MF's - a back 3 being enough for cover for counters pushing up allowing the 2 CM's to be feeders for the creatives. This way of playing obviously requires players with the afore mentioned traits plus good movement, strength, mobility and ability on the ball to get it to work. But it seems possible at that level. I wonder if this Conte system will catch on in the PL. Maybe we can adapt the 3-4-3 formation so that is more like Elphick Chester Baker Adomah Jedi Tish Amavi McCormack Ayew Kodjia Defence - Maybe our lack of passing quality from Elphick/Chester/Baker could be excused at Ch level Midfield - Jedi holding/breaking up play, Tish doing the running Adomah & Amavi with a lot to do - Tracking back/Wide MF'ers/Winger Ayew dropping deep to pick the ball up/Floating across the "off the front-line" taking players on Mc Pressing when not in possesion License to roam in possesion Kodjia - being Kodjia scoring for fun. Maybe we could dominate games more (not stat-wise), condense play to our advantage (more skillfull attacking line of Adomah, Amavi, Ayew, Mc & Kodjia) push teams back and control the pressure. If it worked and got us up we may be a step further going into the PL (By then maybe a few teams will going 3-4-3) We have to upgrade anyway so maybe we would have a basis of Chester, Adomah, Tish, Amavi, Ayew, Grealish & Kodjia (plus Gollini) for our 1st 11 Elphick, Baker, Bacuna, McC as Squad players capable of playing the system We would have to buy anyway to survive in the PL, good buys would make our 1 season back more comfortable 1x GK (Gollini proving himself + a back up/or a proven PL GK) 2x Central defenders (L&R) 2x CM's 2x Wide players 1x CF I have feeling Conte has something going. Bruce is experienced enough to not lose his nerve trying something scaled down if it showed some signs that it could work. Opinions?
  19. Rather than have to flip between player threads I thought I'd start a LB thread where we all can Discuss Amavi, Richardson, Lescott, Kinsella, Clark, N'Zogbia, Baker, Cissohko and possible loan options. regarding the "Emergency loan rule - due to extreme circumstances" the Options of having Richardson and Lescott at LB, isn't that extreme enough? that should surely take us to the front of the queue shouldnt it?
  20. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-expected-change-formation-10033043 Thoughts?
  21. Thought I would start this thread, as it's pretty hard to post in every individual player thread as presently this team is a work in progress and as exciting as that is it's also quite frightening to think how we don't genuinely know enough about any of our new signings to predict how the upcoming games will pan out - even if we know their attributes and potential. It's too early to jump to too many conclusions. But presently it feels like we lack leadership up front and at the back. Things break down as soon as the ball goes forward, I know Gabby has played as a lone striker but he has been pretty poor in that role so far. Richards has been as good as he has been bad at the back, I don't think he should be captain even if I feel he could still be a great signing for us. I feel we desperately need Gil and Grealish in the side as an attacking outlet to drive us forward, and hopefully Traore will feature soon. Gestede maybe limited but he needs to start and stay in the box. I remain cautiously hopeful about Ayew and Vertout, hopefully time they will get confidence and gel as it feels they are trying to hard or being far too cautious. Amavi and Gana have showed enough to tell me they are the real deal even if the latter still needs to sort certain things out. What are your main worries/hopes? Do you think anyone's face doesn't fit at the moment?
  22. There are some comments in the Grealish thread about tactics. I am starting a new thread for people to talk about how they feel we set up/play. The statement was that we are tactically poor. dn1982 (no relation) said: Tactically? We beat Liverpool because of good tactics. Don't let the last 4 results take away from the first 4. Now we have nearly finished the run from hell. (Spurs next week) I hope to see Jack getting more game time and hopefully a couple of starts. Having to play the top 6 in 7 games is unheard of and not games where you can throw him in. He needs to be in the bench at least every game. And my thoughts are; In reality there are probably 6-8 teams we could/should beat over the rest of the season (not including points we have now, also including home/away games - so although there are 6-8 teams, we are looking at double that in games (roughly). You'd hope we would also get a few lucky results too. We will be safe - but for me that is not enough now. We should be aiming to be further up the table. The thing that worries me is how impotent we look. Gabby, N'Zog and a few others are being carried by the team - and it shows. Also we seem naive in many ways and we seem to have one answer - the same answer - for every question. We need to expand the way we play and stop being so predictable. To add to this - I also feel that although we kept Liverpool quiet and won the game, this tactic will not work against a) the teams who sit deep against us and teams who work out how to play against us - when put under lots of pressure (ex: Man City, Chelsea) who have very good attacking players, we do crack. This narrows down the teams this will work against to those who are struggling up front. - Can we expand? Are we really only able to play one way?
  23. With Praet looking a real possibility, and Gil looking like hes staking a real claim in Portugal, we would seem to have a very strong midfield with good depth. Delph Gueye Grealish Sinclair Gil NZogbia Westwood Sanchez Gardner Cole Some of these might be sold or loanec, but its gonna be hard to keep them all happy... Good problem to have i guess Praet
  24. AndFos

    XI

    So, what is your best XI at the moment? Here is mine: Bench: Bunn Hutton Baker Bennett Westwood Gardner Sinclair Nzogbia Gil Tonev Robinson Kozak Agbonlahor Of course, there will be new left back. All of a sudden, the midfiels looks quite good!
  25. Does it drive anyone else absolutely bananas? I honestly, truly, cannot conceivably understand how or why we are so fundamentally terrible at not moving when someone else has the ball. The players run about 10 yards in a forward line and if they don't receive it by then, they're utterly useless because they're picked up by a defender and just continue to stand and wait for something to happen. It's been something that has annoyed me since Gareth Barry left. We had a short spell in Houiller's reign when off the ball, we weren't too bad, but I think, for a professional football team, we must be one of the worst at it. The complete lack of movement off the ball makes us so easy to work out, easy to defend against and it's maddening. Watch Chelsea, Arsenal or Man City, their players are constantly making little runs, not always in straight lines either. Obviously teams like Madrid or Barca are the masters of this, but it's such a simple concept that we haven't got right in years. The one thing that annoys me is that we can only run forwards, never backwards when we have the ball. It's so rare when you see a midfielder dropping deep to collect the ball from a defender.. I think Delph's probably the best at it, because he always wants the ball, but even he can sometimes be accused of it. I don't know, I just needed to get that off my chest. Oh, one last thing, the options given to our fullbacks to pass to someone on the floor are laughable. Cissoko and Lowton last night had 2 choices for passes consistantly yesterday, pass to the closest CM inside, or hit it up the line and hope Gabby or Wiemann get to it and retain possession.. Maddening.
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