Jas10 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, KMitch said: To be fair, they're going through one as well with Ancelotti. James looks like he may be the spark to push them into the Champions League, either this season or next. I've always had a soft spot for Blue Scouse and wish them well, just not when we play them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, momo said: Meh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) At this time in moment, I don’t care how salty other fans are about this deal. I rather see them salty tears when he’s preforming like a champ for us, And humiliating their team Edited September 30, 2020 by CarryOnVilla 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, KMitch said: For what it's worth, Everton supporters are not happy about this one. They hate him even more than we hate Fabian Delph, over how he left them for Chelsea. They've always been traditionally friendly with Villa supporters, but some are actively wishing us to go down now. I'm sure you could find some Villa fans who want Everton to go down because they've got Fabian Delph on their books if you scour Twitter for long enough. I wouldn't put too much into how much most Evertonians give a shit about what Ross Barkley is up to these days when James Rodriguez is playing in his position for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted September 30, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2020 So Barkley says he has spoken to Jack over the last couple of weeks.... but certain people in the media claimed earlier this all happened suddenly? Once again... shows how full of it a lot of people are in the media. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Let's hope he sees this as his chance to prove himself over a full season again as a starter in the league. If that happens we will be better for it. Then the question of Chelsea taking him back like Tammy tears it's head, but I suppose another year in the league would mean we could look elsewhere financially if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, maqroll said: Martinez Cash Konsa Mings Targett Luiz Traore Barkley McGinn Grealish Watkins Decent side that. I just hope we get the Barkley of his last season at Everton when he did look good. I've never been wholly convinced by him but maybe I haven't seem him enough as most others on here and pundits seem very excited about this transfer. If we could just upgrade Matt Targett and bring in Benrhama as first change/rotation on the front three that would be some side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted September 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2020 58 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: What a dead hug from Barkley back to grealish. He must be a crap cuddler to his partner Got the dead eyes of a monster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtaylor200 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 IMO he will be taking Connors place and apart from he can take a free kick I have not seen much else for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 So he was given shirt number 20. That is some big shoes to fill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robtaylor200 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pissflaps said: Let's hope he sees this as his chance to prove himself over a full season again as a starter in the league. If that happens we will be better for it. Then the question of Chelsea taking him back like Tammy tears it's head, but I suppose another year in the league would mean we could look elsewhere financially if need be. Exactly, our time in the Premier league depends on what we do each season to stay up and improve . Once we are top ten contenders then we can look for long term solutions Happy so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: At this time in moment, I don’t care how salty other fans are about this deal. I rather see them salty tears when he’s preforming like a chap for us, And humiliating their team Would 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: Would You just liking her wrist action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, TrentVilla said: So Barkley says he has spoken to Jack over the last couple of weeks.... but certain people in the media claimed earlier this all happened suddenly? Once again... shows how full of it a lot of people are in the media. It's hot takes isn't it? Most people in the media don't really know too much about what's going on away from a couple of areas of interest, just look at Villa's coverage in general this season. It seems that often the person giving their opinion hasn't even thought about the question they are being asked until they've got a camera and a microphone being pointed at then. The Barkley thing has been on for weeks, the random Villa fan on Reddit said it was a done deal on 14th September and he only knew about it because he's friends with Craig Shakespeare's son. I'm sure Barkley and Jack have known about this for even longer. Now not every rumour comes true but this definitely isn't a move out of the blue. If you think about it from a business point of view then Chelsea must have been trying to get a couple of players off of their books before the window closed based purely on the fact they've signed a who's who of world class forwards this summer and there is definitely value to be had with some of the players they don't need anymore. Those players will probably have been offered round to half the Premier League by agents and we just happen to be one of the takers. From a footballing point of view I guess Barkley is in our strongest midfield with Douglas Luiz and John McGinn, Jack is still used further forwards most weeks and it's Conor who falls down the pecking order a little bit. I'm fairly pleased with this deal, we've got a England international in his prime years for very little risk. He'll have two years left on his contract at Chelsea when the loan ends and I don't think they'll be fighting too hard to keep him unless all of their summer signings turn out to be disasters so if we do want to buy him next summer then the fee will probably be pretty reasonable too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 30, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, The_Rev said: It's hot takes isn't it? Most people in the media don't really know too much about what's going on away from a couple of areas of interest, just look at Villa's coverage in general this season. It seems that often the person giving their opinion hasn't even thought about the question they are being asked until they've got a camera and a microphone being pointed at then. The Barkley thing has been on for weeks, the random Villa fan on Reddit said it was a done deal on 14th September and he only knew about it because he's friends with Craig Shakespeare's son. I'm sure Barkley and Jack have known about this for even longer. Now not every rumour comes true but this definitely isn't a move out of the blue. If you think about it from a business point of view then Chelsea must have been trying to get a couple of players off of their books before the window closed based purely on the fact they've signed a who's who of world class forwards this summer and there is definitely value to be had with some of the players they don't need anymore. Those players will probably have been offered round to half the Premier League by agents and we just happen to be one of the takers. From a footballing point of view I guess Barkley is in our strongest midfield with Douglas Luiz and John McGinn, Jack is still used further forwards most weeks and it's Conor who falls down the pecking order a little bit. I'm fairly pleased with this deal, we've got a England international in his prime years for very little risk. He'll have two years left on his contract at Chelsea when the loan ends and I don't think they'll be fighting too hard to keep him unless all of their summer signings turn out to be disasters so if we do want to buy him next summer then the fee will probably be pretty reasonable too. Agree on all points. This goes back to early Sept, which should give people an idea of how long these things can and regularly do take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted September 30, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 hours ago, Don_Simon said: How could it backfire on us? By 'backfire" I mean one of these scenarios: 1) He turns up for a year of taking it easy knowing it doesn't necessarily matter as it isn't really his club 2) He turns up, plays the season of his life, propels us up the table then goes back to Chelsea leaving a massive void behind that we fail to fill and we then fall back down again Now, I don't believe the first will happen - I've never been a massive fan of Ross as a Champions League/England level player but I believe him to be professional enough not to act like that. The second... Well if his potential finally gets fulfilled and he really steps up will we find ourselves missing him next year? I'd trust in NSWE not to let that scenario happen (and recruit suitably behind if necessary) but you never know... We sort of fell into this trap with Tammy but fortunately we managed to get away with it last season and ultimately ended up in a stronger position this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: You just liking her wrist action No, not at all, she just looks like she might have a nice personality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Does anyone else wonder if this signing wouldn't have happened if Jack hadn't eventually gotten called up to the England squad? Not necessarily because it made Jack an England international, but gave Jack a chance to boost up the club in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Got the dead eyes of a monster You know how some personalities just seem to match what someone looks like? A friend of mine looks almost exactly like Barkley and I swear his head is filled with mostly really dense spam. He’s got that same dead ‘post-nam’ look but an emotion every now and then comes through simply because they were told by their home planet that ‘this is how humans react sometimes’. I reckon you could hit him with a brick and he wouldn’t notice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laughable Chimp Posted September 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) So, looking through Barkley's stats last season, this is what popped out. These stats are relative to the CM position. Rate refers to per 90 minutes. So for example, a high rate of inaccurate crosses means that in an average 90 minutes, there is a high number of inaccurate crosses. Weaknesses Low number of successful tackles Low number of attempted tackles Low rate of Interceptions Low rate of clearances Low rate of crosses blocked Low rate of passes blocked High rate of being disposessed High rate of inaccurate crosses High rate of unsuccessful corners Strengths Low number of times dribbled past. Low foul rate-Can be a good thing or bad thing, depending on the circumstances, but I'll count it as a marginal strength. Low card rate-Didn't get a single yellow or red card last season. High succesful long passes rate Low inaccurate long passes rate High successful short passes rate Low inaccurate short passes rate High total key passes rate High short key passes rate High throughball key passes rate High throughball assists rate. Summary Barkley's weaknesses seem to be largely in his defensive contribution with low defensive stats in pretty much across the board and does not score highly in any defensive statistic aside from low number of times dribbled past. He also seems to lack aggresiveness according to his low card and foul rate which could have contributed to some of his lower defensive stats. His strengths however seem to be largely in his passing, with some of his passing stats being one of the highest in the league. In particular, Barkley had the highest throughball assists rate of any CM in the league last season who at least played 3 matches. I've read somewhere that people have compared him to a Mcginn type but his stats, at least last season seem to point towards a player who is less defensive oriented and more passing oriented. So he might be closer to mould in Hourihane or possibly Luiz than Mcginn. Yes I have too much time on my hands. Edit: Removed low goalscoring rate from the weaknesses list. That was a mistake. Edited September 30, 2020 by Laughable Chimp 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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