Adam2003 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, VillaFaninLondon said: Forgot about Oxlade-Chamberlain, that was a but of an odd one on Liverpool's part. For arguments sake, let's say you're right and they did want that much. Do you think our owners would pay it? Hard to say at this stage isn’t it... I don’t think they would have paid it if it was on offer this summer, but if we are more firmly established as a PL side, if he’s doing well, if we are at risk of losing Jack or Douglas Luiz it might be worth it - equally that might put him off - so many moving parts! But I think they would pay £40m for the right player for sure. How much above that is possible given FFP remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Adam2003 said: Hard to say at this stage isn’t it... I don’t think they would have paid it if it was on offer this summer, but if we are more firmly established as a PL side, if he’s doing well, if we are at risk of losing Jack or Douglas Luiz it might be worth it - equally that might put him off - so many moving parts! But I think they would pay £40m for the right player for sure. How much above that is possible given FFP remains to be seen. Yeah I agree. I'm not sure they would go as high as £50m at this stage, but I think they'd pay up to £40m. They may pay more than £40m if it included add ons but it's all guess work really. I'd much rather pay that sort of money for a player like Barkley, particularly if he (as is looking likely so far) has an excellent season for us and is proven in this league. If you think that Wolves paid £35m for an unproven teenager, Newcastle £40m on Joelinton, and Spam £40m on Haller, the money we spend on Barkley will be much better value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 cant believe he only scored 4 goals for Chelsea though. before we signed him if someone had highlighted his stats of 4 goals in 51 games as an attacking midfielder we'd have been up in arms. i was sure i'd seen him scored bucketloads for chelsea but id obviously imagined it guess it shows that stats really are worthless sometimes. oh and the importance of playing with better players in a bigger club obv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2020 I think they'd pay £50m if he has a great season for us. If we finish well top half we'll have another £100m to spend next summer so would leave us £50m for other areas probably a new full back and another centre back. Maybe 3 other players if we can shift on one or two. Barkley at £50m and 3 others at £20m ish each. Depends on if Wesley is up to scratch by then also. Could be in the hunt for another striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Keyblade said: What situation with Mings? Getting an absolute bargain? I am pretty sure you know what I mean. It was a good buy. A bargain would have been the £15 million or less that he would have cost if an option was in place. So it was an unplanned extra expenditure that may or may not have affected other acquisitions. Are you prepared for the spending of £60 million on Barkley if the good start continues. Maybe even more. Or that other clubs swoop in? Maybe he will be the only buy next summer if his good form makes his price rice. It's about protecting the club. Not developing another club's player, that Purslow firmly stated Villa would not do again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, paul514 said: I’d be surprised if the club didn’t stick a option to purchase him into the deal. People saying he would cost 50m are way off the mark though, this is a player they need to get rid of and is significantly older than when they were going to spend 40 million on him. I’d pay 30 if this season goes well 35 at a push. People have to remember for a club to sell there has to be a buyer willing to pay the fee and his big wages. Because if his age you can’t sell him on for a big fee after a few years too, all this has to be factored in. They only paid £15m for him so £27m - £35m sounds fair Edited October 20, 2020 by gwi1890 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, sidcow said: I would hope that he played 90 minutes means he's OK. Already dreading having to play games without some of our first teamers. Yeah....Fitness is crucial to us. And also another reason why, we don't need unnecessary attention, like Gabby is inadvertently stoking up, to burden us with. We don't need to be motivating the opposition, by rubbishing them.....we will be labelled "upstarts" if folk keep this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, momo said: I am pretty sure you know what I mean. It was a good buy. A bargain would have been the £15 million or less that he would have cost if an option was in place. If I buy a car for £30k (not cheap) and over the space of 18 months it's value rises to £50k that is a bargain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, momo said: I am pretty sure you know what I mean. It was a good buy. A bargain would have been the £15 million or less that he would have cost if an option was in place. So it was an unplanned extra expenditure that may or may not have affected other acquisitions. Are you prepared for the spending of £60 million on Barkley if the good start continues. Maybe even more. Or that other clubs swoop in? Maybe he will be the only buy next summer if his good form makes his price rice. It's about protecting the club. Not developing another club's player, that Purslow firmly stated Villa would not do again. Nah 20m was a bargain. Bournemouth thought they were fleecing us, but we knew his qualities. Within a couple of games, Mings was an England international and his value doubled if not more. Who really got fleeced? I envision the same with Barkley. Chelsea don't value him as much as we do. If he ends up costing 50m, so be it. He'd likely be worth it to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 What do we reckon Chelsea will end up asking for barkley?, wouldn't be surprised if it was in the 40-50m mark, Chelsea don't like to give players away on the cheap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, TheMelvillan said: cant believe he only scored 4 goals for Chelsea though. before we signed him if someone had highlighted his stats of 4 goals in 51 games as an attacking midfielder we'd have been up in arms. i was sure i'd seen him scored bucketloads for chelsea but id obviously imagined it guess it shows that stats really are worthless sometimes. oh and the importance of playing with better players in a bigger club obv. I expect his goalscoring to slow down a lot in the future tbh. Statistically he's generally been more of an assister than a goalscorer in the past, and particularly with Chelsea. Or, he could just have a permanent change in playing style. Who knows. Edited October 20, 2020 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 hours ago, TheMelvillan said: cant believe he only scored 4 goals for Chelsea though. before we signed him if someone had highlighted his stats of 4 goals in 51 games as an attacking midfielder we'd have been up in arms. i was sure i'd seen him scored bucketloads for chelsea but id obviously imagined it guess it shows that stats really are worthless sometimes. oh and the importance of playing with better players in a bigger club obv. A lot of those were sub appearances. I think he only made like 8 starts for them last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post White_Wall Posted October 20, 2020 Visiting Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: I expect his goalscoring to slow down a lot in the future tbh. Statistically he's generally been more of an assister than a goalscorer in the past, and particularly with Chelsea. Or, he could just have a permanent change in playing style. Who knows. Chelsea member here, used to visit this forum when JT was on loan. Barkley is very well-liked by Chelsea fans and was the one we let go on loan that most surprised many of us. But Lampard has his own ideas and he is also sympathetic to player preferences, especially with the Euros next summer. Barkley really wanted to play regularly enough to have a chance of making the England squad and as Chelsea will be 4-2-3-1 this season, his chances would have been more limited. That was what drove the willingness to loan him. I'm not sure Villa would have got him without JT's influence, however. Barkley has never been seen as a 10 at Chelsea, more an 8 and suited best to a 4-3-3. He hasn't played the 10 position since his Everton days so you can reasonably expect him to do better than his Chelsea stats playing 10 for Villa. He went straight into my fantasy team anyhow. He's a very good lad by all reports. Used to have a bit of a big-time Charlie thing in his Everton days but being in a much better squad at Chelsea knocked that out of him. He's physically a bull, as some have mentioned, very talented and works as hard as you'd want. Honestly, considering Villa's finishing position last season you have done very well to get him, he's easily good enough for a team that's in Europe. He's good enough for Chelsea in fact, but maybe not as a regular 1st-choice. But none of us ever complained if we saw him in the starting line-up. Regards the future, Chelsea will likely end up keeping either Barkley or RLC. But I think something like 35-40m would be accepted for Ross if we let him go. And Chelsea will need to sell 1 or 2 to balance the books. I reckon that if Barkley was keen on a Villa move you'd possibly get him for that kind of fee in January and Villa might be well advised to try to do it then rather than waiting till next summer. Congrats on the great start to the season, by the way. I always liked Mings but he seems to be getting better and better. I'd like to think JT has something to do with that but maybe that's just my fondness for a Chelsea legend talking. 8 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I like how in barkleys leicester post match he said "I was told villa hadn't won 4 games in a row since 1930, so this is a big success" (or something) I just thought, "dude......its not 4 games in a row at any time.....we have been bad the last decade but not that bad" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 hours ago, gwi1890 said: They only paid £15m for him so £27m - £35m sounds fair Even if it is more you just make a judgement on what he is worth to us next July. You would hope if it reaches 40 or 50 like some here are saying that the club just moves on to a foreign player who is much younger, so you can at least have the option of recouping a lot of the money or more later down the line and probably on less per year than Ross too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I suspect we have a few agreed based on performance, but for FFP reasons no details have been released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Mic09 said: If I buy a car for £30k (not cheap) and over the space of 18 months it's value rises to £50k that is a bargain. That's a good buy, not a bargain. A bargain would be buying a rusty car for £2k and working on it so that it value rises to £50k. Like McGinn. 5 hours ago, Keyblade said: Nah 20m was a bargain. Bournemouth thought they were fleecing us, but we knew his qualities. Within a couple of games, Mings was an England international and his value doubled if not more. Who really got fleeced? I envision the same with Barkley. Chelsea don't value him as much as we do. If he ends up costing 50m, so be it. He'd likely be worth it to us. Everyone gets into that England squad. Don't understand why it's so hard for Grealish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, momo said: That's a good buy, not a bargain. A bargain would be buying a rusty car for £2k and working on it so that it value rises to £50k. Like McGinn. Everyone gets into that England squad. Don't understand why it's so hard for Grealish Well clearly not everybody as Tarkowski, Dunk and O'Connell are still awaiting their first call ups, let alone caps. Since that time, Mings has earned 4 caps. Even Jack got 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, momo said: That's a good buy, not a bargain. A bargain would be buying a rusty car for £2k and working on it so that it value rises to £50k. Like McGinn. By all estimates, a bench player suffering a long term injury prior to joining Villa is an excellent analogy of a rusty car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Well clearly not everybody as Tarkowski, Dunk and O'Connell are still awaiting their first call ups, let alone caps. Since that time, Mings has earned 4 caps. Even Jack got 2. So serious!!! I have never heard of these players you mention 8 minutes ago, Mic09 said: By all estimates, a bench player suffering a long term injury prior to joining Villa is an excellent analogy of a rusty car Mings was fixed, healed and developed at Villa. Payed for by Villa. Then bought by Villa. And back to the topic, the same will happen with Barkley. In a bigger scale with larger amounts. Edited October 20, 2020 by momo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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