villa4europe Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Condimentalist said: He needs a loan to the Champ. If he thinks he's too good for that he's sorely mistaken. I don't get this either There's absolutely nothing to suggest that he thinks he's too good for it, never really even been linked with a loan anywhere that I can remember Us not sending him out on loan is a Villa decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 He gained experience but we need immediate results. Hard to imagine that Sanson or Naka (thus pushing Luiz forward) would not have brought more to the game. Unless they are an absolute Rooney or Owen type phenom, think our highly rated youth players need to be loaned out until around age 20 or 21. You can't talk about challenging for Europe and then also be embedding teenagers in your squad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 He’s not going out on loan if he’s staying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I don't get this either There's absolutely nothing to suggest that he thinks he's too good for it, never really even been linked with a loan anywhere that I can remember Us not sending him out on loan is a Villa decision There was a lot of chat that he didn't sign a new contract because he thought he should be getting playtime in the first team. Perhaps that wasn't right but he doesn't warrant many minutes IMO. Needs to play regularly somewhere for a bit and it won't be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Can’t think of many 18 year olds playing premier league football, He wasn’t spectacular by any means but wasn’t a liability, hooking a kid at half time and destroying his confidence isn’t good management, the minutes he’s earning hopefully is part of a bigger plan/picture, they can’t all be Mbappe and Haaland. Don’t disagree but destroying his confidence I don’t agree with, easy to say to him at half time to say you want to bring on Traore on for fitness minutes or something. The kid started the game, he’d have been delighted, he’d be fine brought off at halftime if explained well. He had good minutes but was a complete passenger today but has a big future, although probably needs a loan if he decides to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, nepal_villan said: He gained experience but we need immediate results. Hard to imagine that Sanson or Naka (thus pushing Luiz forward) would not have brought more to the game. Unless they are an absolute Rooney or Owen type phenom, think our highly rated youth players need to be loaned out until around age 20 or 21. You can't talk about challenging for Europe and then also be embedding teenagers in your squad. Do we though? You think we will sign 3 or 4 players this summer and challenge for Europe next year? Or do you think we should and will now slowly climb up the ladder? Barring a cup win I think we're still 2 or 3 years off europe if I'm honest, he'll be 21 and starting by the time we get the EL so minutes in game like tonight are all part of the long term plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Didn’t moisten my loins but he is very young and needs experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Might be harsh, but I'm inclined to suggest that, we win that game if we didn't start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, nepal_villan said: He gained experience but we need immediate results. Do we? Why? For the massive, season-defining push for 11th? It didn't happen for him tonight, but it was a perfectly sensible time to give him a good run out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Just now, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Might be harsh, but I'm inclined to suggest that, we win that game if we didn't start. Very harsh. Pope was world class. The Traore save was outstanding and on another day one of McGinns goes in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Very harsh. Pope was world class. The Traore save was outstanding and on another day one of McGinns goes in too. Traore save was good the other saves he should make. Edited May 19, 2022 by WHY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Well if he’s starting to convince him to stay that doesn’t work for me. If he wants first team football it should be somewhere else. He’s very talented but absolutely not ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 I hate digging out young players but he’s miles off atm. I’ve said it before but he needs a loan to learn the game. He is decent on the ball but has so much more to learn. Genuinely felt sorry for him at times he looked that lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Too lethargic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Jacob Ramsey did very little all of last season to catch the eye and impress. He was 19 last season. Carney is 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Might be harsh, but I'm inclined to suggest that, we win that game if we didn't start. I think the opposite, I actually thought we dipped when he went off, took traore ages to get going and he played wider where he wasn't needed as cash had the freedom of the wing I thought it was the wrong sub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Just now, avfc1982am said: Too lethargic. Disagree completely He's languid, there's a huge difference 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: Disagree completely He's languid, there's a huge difference I disagree back. He's lethargic in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, jim said: Didn’t moisten my loins Thats Gerrards job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 He okay, he's not expected to look like a world beater as has been said before if you've got a player from the academy not looking out of place then that's a good sign. Today was only his second ever start and it's not as if he's been coming off the bench regularly, before today he'd played just over two games worth of premier league football. Wasn't amazing, but he did fine and this experience will help him develop and improve. Also worth remembering that he was essentially being played out of position, he has very little experience of playing as part of a front three, barely any at all, and I think that role was made even harder for him today by how deep Buendia was dropping. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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