nick76 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Well at the age of 49 i have just learned that sky replay the full game the morning after . So i can sit down and see if it was a good debut for a 17 yr old or a crap one. Without seeing him i think we can all agree already that by the time he is 19 he should be absolutely fine as he has all the raw talent you could wish for Completely agree Edited August 29, 2021 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, a m ole said: No, just not an idiot. just kidding, we all have a difference of opinion! All good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I thought there were some flashes of brilliance, and in possession he did well. What surprised me for a young kid was when he didn't have the ball or lost possession he looked a bit lazy. Young players normally bring energy, but lack presence, I thought he had the reverse. A good debut, and very promising player who I hope we see a lot more of in the bear future (for his progression he needs games at this level now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Laughable Chimp said: Don't bother. He's a highly rated 17yr from our academy, people will see what they want to see. I felt the same with Ramsey's early performances. Actually, I think he looked nervier in this game than any of Ramsey's performances last season.e People just judge these players on different standards, especially early on. I will say if someone like Hourihane or Mcginn put in that kind of performance, the reaction in his thread would've been a lot more negative. That's not to say he doesn't have massive potential or that he didn't do well considering his age. But as a first team PL midfielder he still looks a ways off from where we would need him to be. Yeh, exactly. If you want to judge him as a 17yr old making their debut then he did well. All things considered. But as a player in a PL match? He struggled. Like we’ve said. Who cares, he’s 17. He’ll be great I’m sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 People see that he's seventeen and think if he's that young and playing for the first team then he must be a wonderkid and so judge him against higher standards than necessary. Most seventeen year olds aren't even playing U23 football yet, they're still with the U18s, if you've got a seventeen year old playing for your first team and he puts in a good performance not looking out of place then that's a remarkable achievement for that player and a good sign for his future. Also he was playing alongside one other specialist midfielder, playing in a two man midfield is a lot to ask of any premier league player nevermind a seventeen year old on his full debut, so I think that has to be taken into consideration as well, I'm sure if he was playing alongside say Luiz and McGinn, then you'd seem him do even better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I'd say this was at least 2 months before he would have had his first Prem start if it wasn't for the midfield crisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 39 minutes ago, Steero113 said: £3.99 in the Villa Store, or they give you £26.01 in cash if you use the code VILLAVJHDVYUAYUDVAUKYS. Don’t think that’s a code mate. I think that’s just the opticians eye chart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Carney has got all the attributes he needs to be a top player. He just needs time now to really learn and understand his role. He will be a top player by the time he is 20 which is some achievement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Will do this whole bunch of talent a world of good being around the likes of Ashley Young also. Shakespeare has already made comments on how Young has come in and taken them under his wing a bit, has set rules and stays onto the younger players to stay tidy etc. in the dressing room. Young has done it all pretty much, you have to respect him and his career which I am sure the younger lads will do of course. Not just Carney of course, but I can't help but think we have a really good bunch of young players and they're in a great environment for us to get the best out of them and for them to get the best out of themselves. Love the culture of our club now and you can see why younger players are attracted to us with the pathway to the first team being very obviously there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 hours ago, dukes said: I thought there were some flashes of brilliance, and in possession he did well. What surprised me for a young kid was when he didn't have the ball or lost possession he looked a bit lazy. Young players normally bring energy, but lack presence, I thought he had the reverse. A good debut, and very promising player who I hope we see a lot more of in the bear future (for his progression he needs games at this level now). Well, if there's one trait World class players always have, it's " presence " not so much energy. So here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Yeh, exactly. If you want to judge him as a 17yr old making their debut then he did well. All things considered. But as a player in a PL match? He struggled. Like we’ve said. Who cares, he’s 17. He’ll be great I’m sure. Agreed with your points. Carney is not ready yet to start games in Premier League and make an impact. Off the bench cameos, yes. Amazes me how well Bellingham is doing at the same age, already starring for Dortmund and playing for England. He must be one in generation talent. Edited August 29, 2021 by Czarnikjak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted August 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) Bellingham wasn't amazing when he started playing for Dortmund, but they didn't drop him or decide he wasn't ready just becase he didn't immediately look like some wonderkid, they stuck with him and are now reaping the benefits. I thought Chukwuemeka did fine even if you ignore his age, if anything I think he's being unfairly judged because of his age, because there seems to be this idea that if he's getting in our team at that age then he must be some generational talent, so people are expecting more from him than they would say if it was a nineteen or tweny year old making their debut, and he's being unfairly judged against players like Bellingham, again just because of the age thing. Edited August 29, 2021 by useless 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 He'll get plenty of game time this season and will really progress. We have to keep giving one or two of these youth players the chance directly into the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 29/08/2021 at 09:56, CVByrne said: I'd say this was at least 2 months before he would have had his first Prem start if it wasn't for the midfield crisis He was picked ahead of Nakamba and Hourihane who could have both started, that was Smith's decision and shows the regard he is held in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 the last line is very positive news - kind of infers it’s already agreed and CC’s just waiting now to blow out his candles! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I suspect we'll see him get quite a few more minutes before October 20th as well. There's a lot of interest in the lad, and he's staying here because of a path into the first team, so we're going to have to show him it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I'd like him to start infront of Luiz and beside McGinn. We can't judge him properly as he's mostly offensive player. You'd like to see what can he do at this level. Not that Young done badly but you'd like to see him with proper CM's. In a similar age (probably couple of months older), we were depending on Jack Grealish contributions helping us reaching FA Cup final + keeping us up after being almost relegated before him being introduced to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 8 hours ago, abdulaziz1 said: I'd like him to start infront of Luiz and beside McGinn. We can't judge him properly as he's mostly offensive player. You'd like to see what can he do at this level. Not that Young done badly but you'd like to see him with proper CM's. In a similar age (probably couple of months older), we were depending on Jack Grealish contributions helping us reaching FA Cup final + keeping us up after being almost relegated before him being introduced to the team. As mad as it sounds Jack was 19 and a half when he played THAT game against Liverpool . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Been racking my brains to think of another player in the prem who plays centre mid at 17 years old. Someone will prove me wrong i am sure now but i couldnt think of one . Tends to be wingers full backs and strikers who play at a young age because of how strong and wise you need to be . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Steero113 Posted September 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MWARLEY2 said: Been racking my brains to think of another player in the prem who plays centre mid at 17 years old. Someone will prove me wrong i am sure now but i couldnt think of one . Tends to be wingers full backs and strikers who play at a young age because of how strong and wise you need to be . Edited after further look. I did a search across the premier league for the last 4 seasons and Carney Chukwuemeka is the only player under 20 to start at CM. He is also the youngest starter in the premier league for the last 4 years, and the only starting CM at 17 since Cesc Fabregas in Nov 2004 for Arsenal against Spurs. The only other one who was listed at Central Midfield under 19 in the last 3 seasons was Billy Gilmour who played a few mins two seasons ago against Sheff Utd for Chelsea. He was 18 years and 2 months old. Edited September 1, 2021 by Steero113 19 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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