Summer Transfers Window 2020

[Okonokos]

11 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

Why do you think he is only league one standard Okonokos? Why has he been on Liverpool’s books for so long then?

How many times has he played for Liverpool? Liverpool also had Jay Spearing on their books for a long time too.

He had one freak season with Derby (which most of his goals were from set pieces) and so Liverpool understandably are using that to their advantage to get a higher fee for him.

Ask the Bournemouth fans what they think of him. He's slow, lazy, can't take players on, can't cross but has a good free kick on him. Without his set pieces he'd be in League One.

[rubberman]

I think part of the reason no-one has moved yet is that valuations haven't adjusted to covid-era.  No-one will pay the prices being thrown about currently, but as we get into the pointy end of the window some more realistic deals will start to happen, IMO.

[Dave-R]

4 minutes ago, thabucks said:

Our midfield was badly unbalanced on occasions last season and that’s why for me the signing of someone like McKennie is vital. A midfield trio of Luiz, McGinn & McKennie, with jack and Buendia on the wings supporting Edouard. additional width Added from the FB ( ??? & Aaron’s)... That for me is a lot more solid and offers flexibility in matches, is realistic leaving a bit in the pot from sales for Gk and ? 

To me that's alot more realistic than buying two efl players at 55 million.

[Sam-AVFC]

2 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

He’s been out on loan a lot in that time. The fact that Liverpool have kept him for that long says to me that they rate him

The fact he's been there since he was 8 years old, hasn't played a single minute and they are trying to sell him says the exact opposite to me.

Why not loan him out to develop him? He either comes good enough to play for them or increases his sale value without having to risk playing him in their side.

Out of interest, did you check out the opinions on the Bournemouth forum?

Edited August 20, 2020 by Sam-AVFC

[sir_gary_cahill]

4 minutes ago, TRO said:

Not steel in the sense of a ball winner, no......but they have to have fight, determination and belief.....and an appetite for the fight.....not be put off so easily.

but wingers like giggs, overmars, Kanchelskis, robben, rosicky, Mahrez they don't give you a minutes peace....even our own Tony Morley, went for the jugular....i know i picking out the best to highlight the point.....we have to get as close as we can with the money available.....no better than what we have and parting with valuable dough, is the danger.

Even Ray Graydon is better than anything we have......how many goals did he score at the back post, made that post his happy hunting ground.....as was a billy wiz.

I think you are correct and you phrased it well too

[Villan4Life]

My mate Josh who's a Villa Fan and works for DC United as Scout thought's on McKennie.

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McKennie is a versatile player (Has played mostly DM, CM, AM, but also CB, RB, RM and F for Schalke the last two years), though he is best in that CM spot. He plays with a lot of energy and grit, and shows great anticipation traits with interceptions. He is very good in the air as well. He can be a bit inconsistent or lack concentration, though that is maybe a product of his age (turns 22 later this month). He’s got good strength and agility (played Running Back in American football), and has some good leadership qualities.

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Villan4Life

[skarroki]

2 hours ago, GarethRDR said:

Not with a barge pole.  Terrible attitude, got found out at Juve and he wouldn't want to come here anyway.  They are desperately trying to get shot of him.

The kind of negativity I'd expect from a Decepticon

[Vive_La_Villa]

@Villan4Life what to you think of Harry Wilson?

[TRO]

10 minutes ago, Dave-R said:

Do you have any names TRO you could throw in the hat for Wingers??

Dave....I am not an authority on the wider European Market like some of the younger ones....and those that play football manager, come across the names, more.

What I do know.....(not blowing my own trumpet) is what attributes are required for each position.....and they vary as you know.

What I also appreciate is the paramount importance of workrate in a football team.

I have a fear some folk see little flashes of magic from players and are sold.

Its like having a wife who has all the curves, but does no housework and won't look after the kids and just goes out on the town , leaving you at home......fancy pants......the attraction soon wears thin......just like in football.

we need full rounded players who can cope with all the changing conditions and different opponents skills.

[sir_gary_cahill]

3 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said:

The fact he's been there since he was 8 years old, hasn't played a single minute and they are trying to sell him says the exact opposite to me.

Why not loan him out to develop him? He either comes good enough to play for them or increases his sale value without having to risk playing him in their side.

Out of interest, did you check out the opinions on the Bournemouth forum?

I think that’s exactly what they have done with Harry Wilson, Liverpool have loaned him out several times to develop him. At the end of the day, he isn’t going to displace Mo Salah any time soon. He’d be great for us I think, I seem to be the only one to think that. I will check on a Bournemouth forum now

[Villan4Life]

3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

@Villan4Life what to you think of Harry Wilson?

don't rate him mate!

He takes good free-kick, much, much better out there.

I remember he was on loan at Hull few years back, i went to one of their live games. I wasn't impressed

I thought back then i don't get the hype with him.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Villan4Life

[Okonokos]

5 minutes ago, Villan4Life said:

My mate Josh who's a Villa Fan and works for DC United as Scout thought's on McKennie.

 

Sums him up. What was obvious to me when I watched him last season was how much he cares and the amount of effort he puts in. Also, he's not scared at all to put himself about.

[thunderball]

Harry Wilson: decent young prospect, played to a good standard at Derby all season where I feared facing him in the PO final, and a full season in the PL where he scored a few. He has youth and therefore development on his side and this also explains inconsistencies, but likely to increase in value. He is good competition for the wide midfield/winger and will improve. If we are baulking at Benrahma and Rashica prices then he could be the answer when we still need a few signing, I think we could do a lot worse, we dont need to win the league this season just incrementally improve, maybe we buy the £50m winger/forward next summer?

FWIW, the lesson with Maupay and a few others last season was swallow hard and just pay the money for your main targets. You dont have to take this attitide across the board but the key positions you may have to pay over the odds for. Maupay is now a £30m player and the example is Mings - we thought we had our trousers pulled down but he is now worth £50m+

[TRO]

5 minutes ago, Villan4Life said:

My mate Josh who's a Villa Fan and works for DC United as Scout thought's on McKennie.

 

Not seen him Chris.....but just fits my ticket.....for that one crucial position.

[hippo]

1 minute ago, thunderball said:

Harry Wilson: decent young prospect, played to a good standard at Derby all season where I feared facing him in the PO final, and a full season in the PL where he scored a few. He has youth and therefore development on his side and this also explains inconsistencies, but likely to increase in value. He is good competition for the wide midfield/winger and will improve. If we are baulking at Benrahma and Rashica prices then he could be the answer when we still need a few signing, I think we could do a lot worse, we dont need to win the league this season just incrementally improve, maybe we buy the £50m winger/forward next summer?

FWIW, the lesson with Maupay and a few others last season was swallow hard and just pay the money for your main targets. You dont have to take this attitide across the board but the key positions you may have to pay over the odds for. Maupay is now a £30m player and the example is Mings - we thought we had our trousers pulled down but he is now worth £50m+

Or expand the scouting network outside Brentford.

[thabucks]

Personally think Wilson is a lazy and easy link... Whats the point in appointing a foreign data analyst specialist as sporting director if we cannot find better value for £20 mill? 
 

Also going off signing anyone from Brentford other than Rico Henry. Edouard has a higher ceiling in terms of potential for me and can see him getting close to the France squad of his current trajectory of development continues - Just cannot see Watkins knocking on the door for England ( though may be wrong ...) Buendia has proven he can perform in the premier league and is somewhat less of a gamble. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by thabucks

[abdulaziz1]

8 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

the problem is that brooks was shite when played out on the wing post lockdown. he's a class player, absolutely, but i think if dean thought he'd fit our system he'd be all over him

I can’t say that I’ve watched a lot of their games (watched mostly Watford and West Ham). But when I watched their game against Southampton I can’t remember who had the ball as my nerves were as much as it got. 
We don’t have to play proper winger, him and Jack each one in a side. We can then get a pacey winger which we could get from bench. Or whenever we need a tactical change.

[MotoMkali]

1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said:

When did championship players start commanding these kind of fees?

Feels like it’s erupted in the past 2 or 3 years for some reason.

Its actually ridiculous when you think about it, second tier players going for £20M+

When maddison did. 

[sir_gary_cahill]

16 minutes ago, Okonokos said:

How many times has he played for Liverpool? Liverpool also had Jay Spearing on their books for a long time too.

He had one freak season with Derby (which most of his goals were from set pieces) and so Liverpool understandably are using that to their advantage to get a higher fee for him.

Ask the Bournemouth fans what they think of him. He's slow, lazy, can't take players on, can't cross but has a good free kick on him. Without his set pieces he'd be in League One.

He scored 7 Premier League goals last season. In my opinion, that’s not a bad return for a winger. I think generally our expectations of players are high, they are not superhuman, they aren’t going to perform miracles every week. In my opinion, Harry Wilson would be a good signing for us

[Dave-R]

2 minutes ago, Okonokos said:

Sums him up. What was obvious to me when I watched him last season was how much he cares and the amount of effort he puts in. Also, he's not scared at all to put himself about.

That is one thing some of our frontline players have been very much lacking in,which is getting stuck in and throwing themselves about a fair bit, you know the body on the line play style.

I hope whichever players we sign they think more of the goal or the heroic moment than there hair or there condition. Like that they may get a bruise for a couple of weeks or get a sprained ankle when they could of got glory, that's true footballing honour, daft but Honourable to seek the reward and show guts. We had Ghazi and Samatta shy away from such opportunities because they were obviously to scared to get stuck in because it looked like they were scared of getting hurt, not what we need on the frontline.