TRO Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, villalad21 said: I'll be furious if we sign Harry Wilson. The wrong player. What we need is some steel in midfield. Not another Conor. I know what you mean.....but we do need a winger too. a winger with workrate and industry as well as pace and an ability to cross a mean ball. surely all the new Data analysis should be identifying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Hope we sign him now That was a bit cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Okonokos said: But it's important that they have footballing ability. Wilson is league one standard and I mean that seriously. If we spend £20m on him I'll be concerned. Why do you think he is only league one standard Okonokos? Why has he been on Liverpool’s books for so long then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Smith would motivate him and get the best out of him I think We need to stay well clear of him! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Okonokos said: But it's important that they have footballing ability. Wilson is league one standard and I mean that seriously. If we spend £20m on him I'll be concerned. If 18 goals in the championship and 7 goals in the Premier League is league one standard then he has fooled us all! I get you don’t rate him but he’s hardly league one standard. Edited August 20, 2020 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 minute ago, TRO said: I know what you mean.....but we do need a winger too. a winger with workrate and industry as well as pace and an ability to cross a mean ball. surely all the new Data analysis should be identifying them. Do you have any names TRO you could throw in the hat for Wingers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 minute ago, TRO said: That was a bit cheap. Why? I’ve made no secret of the fact I think my pal @villalad21 knows absolutely nothing about football. If he would be furious with his signing I think it means it would actually work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Dave-R said: Do you have any names TRO you could throw in the hat for Wingers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I’ve said it before, if we’re going for someone who played for Bournemouth last season, then it should Brooks. I think we can get him if we took it seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Why do you think he is only league one standard Okonokos? Why has he been on Liverpool’s books for so long then? Because they are waiting for a club gullible enough to hand over £20m for him - let's make sure it isn't us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillaFaninLondon Posted August 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, Dave-R said: But wouldn't you rather spend 55 million on a couple of excellent players from abroad who would no doubt make the transition. It's an awful lot of money to pay for two players who by my understanding have never played premier football and have been on fire in a league that isnt premier level. I can see alot commenting in the season (why on earth did we pay 55 million for this rubbish), and many turning around saying we told you so. The problem is it's not a small bit of coinage being sent to Brentford it's over half a ton and they are probably kicking there lips and thinking what a clubs on mugs, let's face it they are not worth 55 million. Then if they fail that will be everyone saying they got it wrong and a very big wrong because theres every chance they could be failures as much as they are success signings. I dont know how you can not be concerned by our club buy three signings and two of them will cost 55 million, if it goes wrong we will be heading to relegation with another season of failed signings. It's not as if Benrahma and Watkins end up disaster signings we have anyone to pick up the slack either, of we do it will be Grealish again and we will go one more season as being called the one man army. I really do hope we a smarter than this now and we will not be drawn into paying those crazy prices for two hopefuls, have we not learnt from the past. This is it. The same people saying we should get them will be the first to say it's ok we're fighting relegation again because we bought from the Championship. We don't want that, we want to be stable next season. The fees are just over-inflated in the Champ and there's such a big risk in buying players who might not make the step up. Watkins and Benrahma are not exactly young either, they're playing at close to their prime. Of the two I think Benrahma is more likely to make the step up but the level is much higher in the PL, we saw McGinn and Mings struggling at times and the only player who really showed consistency last season was Jack and even he struggled because he was carrying the team. We don't want that again. We've been told Rashica is available for £8mil less than Benrahma. I'd imagine there is some good value to be found at Valencia who are having financial problems - why not put in an ambitious offer for Guedes who is potentially a fantastic winger. I hope the links to McKennie, Thauvin and Cillesen are right too, they'd really improve us. In fact, I've seen McKennie would be open to a move to Villa. These are the signings we should be going all out for, unless we want another season of struggle and people getting frustrated why we're in the position we're in. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Why do you think he is only league one standard Okonokos? Why has he been on Liverpool’s books for so long then? With a grand total of 0 appearances for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) Our midfield was badly unbalanced on occasions last season and that’s why for me the signing of someone like McKennie is vital. A midfield trio of Luiz, McGinn & McKennie, with jack and Buendia on the wings supporting Edouard. Then with additional width support from the FB’s ( ??? & Aaron’s)... That for me is a lot more solid and offers flexibility in matches, is realistic leaving a bit in the pot from sales for Gk and ? Edited August 20, 2020 by thabucks 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted August 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: It’s rare that a winger has steel in my opinion Not steel in the sense of a ball winner, no......but they have to have fight, determination and belief.....and an appetite for the fight.....not be put off so easily. but wingers like giggs, overmars, Kanchelskis, robben, rosicky, Mahrez they don't give you a minutes peace....even our own Tony Morley, went for the jugular....i know I'm picking out the best to highlight the point.....but we have to get as close as we can with the money available.....no better than what we have and parting with valuable dough, is the danger. Even Ray Graydon was better than anything we have......how many goals did he score at the back post, made that post his happy hunting ground.....he was a billy wiz. Edited August 20, 2020 by TRO 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, VillaFaninLondon said: This is it. The same people saying we should get them will be the first to say it's ok we're fighting relegation again because we bought from the Championship. We don't want that, we want to be stable next season. The fees are just over-inflated in the Champ and there's such a big risk in buying players who might not make the step up. Watkins and Benrahma are not exactly young either, they're playing at close to their prime. Of the two I think Benrahma is more likely to make the step up but the level is much higher in the PL, we saw McGinn and Mings struggling at times and the only player who really showed consistency last season was Jack and even he struggled because he was carrying the team. We don't want that again. We've been told Rashica is available for £8mil less than Benrahma. I'd imagine there is some good value to be found at Valencia who are having financial problems - why not put in an ambitious offer for Guedes who is potentially a fantastic winger. I hope the links to McKennie, Thauvin and Cillesen are right too, they'd really improve us. In fact, I've seen McKennie would be open to a move to Villa. These are the signings we should be going all out for, unless we want another season of struggle and people getting frustrated why we're in the position we're in. Very good post, spot on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: When did championship players start commanding these kind of fees? Feels like it’s erupted in the past 2 or 3 years for some reason. Its actually ridiculous when you think about it, second tier players going for £20M+ It's a weird market, there's £100m players around and a big bracket of let's say european competition class players between £50m and £100m, that's what pushes the Championship players prices up, they *potentially* cost half the price as that bracket but could make the step up. Look at what we paid for Wesley too, Championship seems to be on a par with the second tier of the top European national leagues. Can't help thinking there is enormous value and opportunity in the area of the market we got Wesley in, young £20m players who could end up being worth 2 or 3 times that and in proving so take you up the league. The problem is you need the balls to gamble on those players and you need enough of them to be able to write half of them off too, identifying the ones who really have the potential is incredibly hard in the first place too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: With a grand total of 0 appearances for them. He’s been out on loan a lot in that time. The fact that Liverpool have kept him for that long says to me that they rate him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, TRO said: I know what you mean.....but we do need a winger too. a winger with workrate and industry as well as pace and an ability to cross a mean ball. surely all the new Data analysis should be identifying them. Last time we had a winger with some to use Deeney's phrase "cojones" was Snodgrass. Trezeguet works hard but he gets bullied too easily for my liking. He does have an eye for a goal but he lacks ability in his general play. Don't get me started on El Ghazi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, nick76 said: We need to stay well clear of him! I think he’d be good for us at the right price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, abdulaziz1 said: I’ve said it before, if we’re going for someone who played for Bournemouth last season, then it should Brooks. I think we can get him if we took it seriously. the problem is that brooks was shite when played out on the wing post lockdown. he's a class player, absolutely, but i think if dean thought he'd fit our system he'd be all over him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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