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[HanoiVillan]

5 minutes ago, blandy said:

I've not seen either of them. It does remind me though, maybe wrong thread, maybe better in the TTPYO thread, but soundtracks or background music. Often I'll hear something and thing "I know that, what is it" and usually it settles in my mind and I work it out. Sometimes though it drives me nuts or days or even weeks.

The one that did it the most was "American Dream" by Jakatta. Tormented me for ages before it popped into m'noggin. They used it on loads of telly beds.

I guarantee loads of people will recognise it if they hear it...but almost none will remember where from

 

Wasn't it that a greatly slowed-down version was used on the American Beauty soundtrack?

[blandy]

2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Wasn't it that a greatly slowed-down version was used on the American Beauty soundtrack?

Yeah, that's it - Thomas Newman  - Dead Already  - Jakatta American Dream - samples it.

Sometimes you get the Jakatta faster version, sometimes the TN version  

[maqroll]

Scarface is a terrible movie. 

[KenjiOgiwara]

Obesity is in most cases, never a disease. Even if they love pitching that idea.

Edited May 5, 2021 by KenjiOgiwara

[welnik]

15 hours ago, blandy said:

Yeah, that's it - Thomas Newman  - Dead Already  - Jakatta American Dream - samples it.

Sometimes you get the Jakatta faster version, sometimes the TN version  

Blimey! I've spent the last 13 years wondering what the intro music was when I saw genesis at Twickenham. Now I know, thanks

[HanoiVillan]

5 hours ago, maqroll said:

Scarface is a terrible movie. 

Mmmm, I see why you say it, but no. Overlong, yes, bad haircuts, yes, but too iconic and with too good a soundtrack to be a terrible movie. That being said, I don't feel any particular urge to watch it again any time soon.

[mjmooney]

5 hours ago, maqroll said:

Scarface is a terrible movie. 

That's just reminded me that I've had the DVD for years and never got round to watching it. 

[mjmooney]

2 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Obesity is in most cases, never a disease. Even if they love pitching that idea.

It's certainly something that bewilders me. But then I don't have a big appetite, and never had a weight problem. I don't think it's as simple as "Don't be so greedy". Compulsive behaviour of any sort is not an easy thing to change. 

[Ingram85]

12 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

It's certainly something that bewilders me. But then I don't have a big appetite, and never had a weight problem. I don't think it's as simple as "Don't be so greedy". Compulsive behaviour of any sort is not an easy thing to change. 

It very much can be a form of addiction. It’s also a mental block, can be because of a physical illness. It can be hereditary, it CAN be medical, it can be side effects of medication (especially in mental health, especially Olanzapine). It can be a side effect from depression, a mental illness or pre existing conditions. Not you Mike but the important thing is not to judge people because of it and just blindly think fatty is fat because fatty just eats maccies all day and then making baseless stereotypical generalisations. 

[Wainy316]

On 02/05/2021 at 19:03, Xela said:

Here we go...

I quite like a lot of Phil Collins' songs. 

Best thing Phil ever produced was Lily.

[chrisp65]

2 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Obesity is in most cases, never a disease. Even if they love pitching that idea.

 

16 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

It's certainly something that bewilders me. But then I don't have a big appetite, and never had a weight problem. I don't think it's as simple as "Don't be so greedy". Compulsive behaviour of any sort is not an easy thing to change. 

 

See also:  smoking, alcoholism, drug dependency, prescription drug dependency, extreme body modification, pornography, gambling, anorexia, depression...

All things that people should give their head a wobble and just stop.

I have no concept of why on earth someone in debt, would gamble. But that doesn’t make it a simple thing to sort out.

 

[Wainy316]

On that subject, I've always had a strong dislike for Phil Collins, Rod Stewart and Sting.  They're my triforce of evil, I just find them incredibly unlikeable and horribly uncool.

I have a similar aversion to Tom Cruise.  The man's a very good actor but any film he's in loses a point or two because I just can't stick him.

[Wainy316]

Just now, chrisp65 said:

I have no concept of why on earth someone in debt, would gamble. But that doesn’t make it a simple thing to sort out.

I guess the thought process would be to pay off that debt.  Although they would then probably proceed to re-gamble any of the proceeds from a big win.

[chrisp65]

Just now, Wainy316 said:

I guess the thought process would be to pay off that debt.  Although they would then probably proceed to re-gamble any of the proceeds from a big win.

My thought process would be, we have a lifetime of experience that tells us the bookie wins. Have Paddy Power and William Hill struggled of late? Are they closing bookies and winding down their online operations becuase the punter is better at it than they are? Right now, I have £10, all common sense tells me that after this bet, I’ll have less than £10.

But yes, my point is, other people are wired differently, chemically pre disposed to other things that I’m not. The trick is, not to presume that I am my own master and all they have to do, is be more like me and we’ll all be fine. 

Just start from a position of non judgemental empathy and take it from there.

 

 

[tomav84]

37 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

I guess the thought process would be to pay off that debt.  Although they would then probably proceed to re-gamble any of the proceeds from a big win.

gambling is the worst addiction to overcome because bookies prey on the addicts. those that make heavy losses get phone calls etc from bookies with a new offer + bet credits unique to them to entice them back in. in extreme cases they get assigned a betting manager who takes them to ascot etc with full red carpet treatment, knowing they're going to gamble away much more than it cost the bookie for this service.

its the equivalent of an alcoholic staying at home, trying to give up, and his local boozer sending a cab round to pick him up with the promise of a few free pints when he gets there.

smoking i found quite easy to give up because you actually need to leave the house, and go and buy fags. i just forced myself to stop doing that. gambling is all at your fingertips.

i've had a gambling addiction before, it's horrible. as you click 'place bet' you know you shouldn't. you regret it as soon as you do it. and call yourself an idiot when it loses. then do the same thing again an hour later. i didn't get to the point of touching my savings fortunately...but at 37 am still not on the property ladder and know i would have been by now had it not been for the years i spent gambling away any spare cash. what my thought process was? i genuinely cannot remember. it was just habit.

[Amsterdam_Neil_D]

45 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

gambling is all at your fingertips.

I am on a 6 week time out.  On week 3 .

I thought I could cancel it but no.

[bannedfromHandV]

1 hour ago, Ingram85 said:

It very much can be a form of addiction. It’s also a mental block, can be because of a physical illness. It can be hereditary, it CAN be medical, it can be side effects of medication (especially in mental health, especially Olanzapine). It can be a side effect from depression, a mental illness or pre existing conditions. Not you Mike but the important thing is not to judge people because of it and just blindly think fatty is fat because fatty just eats maccies all day and then making baseless stereotypical generalisations. 

I think the vast majority of overweight people are overweight exactly because they eat too much, they eat the wrong things and they don’t do any or enough exercise.

Written by someone who is overweight.

[Stevo985]

27 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

I think the vast majority of overweight people are overweight exactly because they eat too much, they eat the wrong things and they don’t do any or enough exercise.

Written by someone who is overweight.

My opinion on this is education. And I don't mean thick people are fat.

What I mean is I think the population in general is incredibly uneducated about how weight is put on, how difficult it is to lose weight and the best ways to lose it (calorie defecits)

I got good grades at school, As at A Level, university educated. but I had no idea how hard it was to lose weight and what it took. I put loads of weight on at uni and genuinely believed if I hit the gym for 6 weeks when I graduated I'd be ripped. Which is obviously nonsense.

It wasn't until I voluntarily educated myself about it when I started weight training that I realised what it takes and the time needed to lose weight.

 

How often do you hear people talking about "fat" in foods being the thing that makes you fat, or thinking meals like pasta salad with loads of sauce is "healthy" just because it sounds healthy. 

 

I think if people were better educated on food, calories, losing weight, effects of obesity, then we'd all be better off. From memory we did a single one hour lesson on calories and their effects at school. I immediately forgot most of it.

[Mark Albrighton]

2 hours ago, Wainy316 said:

On that subject, I've always had a strong dislike for Phil Collins, Rod Stewart and Sting.  They're my triforce of evil, I just find them incredibly unlikeable and horribly uncool.

I’m immediately reminded of “All for love” with Rod, Sting and sadly Bryan Adams instead of Phil to complete the Wainy316 axis of evil.

Maybe there’s a live version somewhere with Collins on drums that would suffice.

[Genie]

1 hour ago, chrisp65 said:

My thought process would be, we have a lifetime of experience that tells us the bookie wins. Have Paddy Power and William Hill struggled of late? Are they closing bookies and winding down their online operations becuase the punter is better at it than they are? Right now, I have £10, all common sense tells me that after this bet, I’ll have less than £10.

But yes, my point is, other people are wired differently, chemically pre disposed to other things that I’m not. The trick is, not to presume that I am my own master and all they have to do, is be more like me and we’ll all be fine. 

Just start from a position of non judgemental empathy and take it from there.

 

 

There’s been a few story’s of problem gamblers on the BBC recently and they generally have the same start point. 
A bit of a punt on something and an initial win. Last £2 into the machine and wow, £150!!!!

Thats the trigger, it seemed so easy. They were not initially bothered about the £2 and happy to lose it. The fact they won stirred something. 
As you have said, the house always wins.

After a win there is the urge to play and win some more. If you win again, the desire increases.

After a loss there is the urge to chase the win to get back even or up.

Ultimately, anything that returns less than 100% of stake will result in a loss if you play it long enough. There’s ups and downs, but it’ll always be a loss eventually.