chrisp65 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 What is it that you think that that proves exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Probably about the same as your video showing the protests turning violent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted March 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2021 So today we find out whether we can be put in prison for ten years for "putting someone at risk of serious annoyance" What kind of country is this we are living in... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blandy Posted March 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 14/03/2021 at 13:01, dAVe80 said: Say what you like about him, there would be no chance of Labour abstaining on this bill (or the spycops bill) under his leadership. There is a thread to debate the ins and outs of his leadership vs Starmer, and we should try not to derail this thread too much, but to get back to the point, Labour under Corbyn would have unequivocally supported the vigil, and opposed all the current erosion of the right to protest. Agreed. I may have mentioned I didn't rate the bloke as a leader, but that's spot on. So much so that @avfcDJ's comment On 14/03/2021 at 12:40, avfcDJ said: Imagine the outcry if that was Corbyn Is kind of non-credible, because you can't imagine him doing it. In terms of the Police and the Met in particular, what they did is kind of typical, I think. They asked people not to congregate/assemble (which is fair enough, given it's banned because of the corollafungus), then when they ignored that, they tried to tell them to disperse, which was ignored, and then they piled in with OTT zealousness, their default attitude. The thought that the assembly was prompted by one of their number doing a murder (allegedly) of a woman seems not to have been factored in to their approach to the women gathered in her memory. Which was a massive and highly counter-productive mistake. In terms of the Crime bill and plans to essentially outlaw protest etc. if it passes (which needs stopping) then there's going to be a lot more of this kind of thing. Essentially "illegal" gatherings and protests and more heavy handed policing and then court cases where jurors refuse to convict, or where people get sent down for 10 years for protesting against something which is popular - e.g. jurors might be likely to convict people protesting for their demand to allow fox-hunting - fox hunting (in this example) is unpopular, so jurors might be more inclined to convict a fox hunter enthusiast than, say a anti Airport expansion protester - even though the "crime" would be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Lichfield Dean said: So today we find out whether we can be put in prison for ten years for "putting someone at risk of serious annoyance" What kind of country is this we are living in... China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2021 So what are the chances of Priti Patels bill to end the right to protest not going through today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 15, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: So what are the chances of Priti Patels bill to end the right to protest not going through today? nil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted March 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: So what are the chances of Priti Patels bill to end the right to protest not going through today? Tomorrow morning they vote, isn’t it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Protesters gather again in London, testing Patel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, Genie said: Protesters gather again in London, testing Patel... Police protecting the statue again. If its that **** precious, stick it in the British Museum. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Can someone explain to me what these protests are trying to achieve?. Don't the current rules of the land already do what they want or are they aiming it at potential attackers to think again. Having said that the scenes on Saturday night where an absolute shambles and the police should have been told that on no account were they to get drawn in to any physical altercations with protestors as it's just feed the frenzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted March 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, mykeyb said: Can someone explain to me what these protests are trying to achieve?. Don't the current rules of the land already do what they want or are they aiming it at potential attackers to think again. Having said that the scenes on Saturday night where an absolute shambles and the police should have been told that on no account were they to get drawn in to any physical altercations with protestors as it's just feed the frenzy. I think perhaps some women are just getting fed up with the current state of things. They do get a bit delicate about rape and murder. One way of dealing with it, would be to reduce the number of police, reduce access to justice, release repeat offenders early, and promise stiffer sentences for the convicted. Another way of dealing with it could be a systematic review of how we design streets, and public transport, and people’s attitudes towards women being out in the dark. We could teach more about mutual respect, rights, basic good behaviour. We could have more police, or street ambassadors, or whatever but change their role to be a bit more public servant orientated. I don’t know, I genuinely don’t know half of what goes on, or half of what women think we could do to change it. I do know the current rules of the land and their enforcement absolutely do not do what they want. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted March 15, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, mykeyb said: Can someone explain to me what these protests are trying to achieve?. Don't the current rules of the land already do what they want or are they aiming it at potential attackers to think again. Having said that the scenes on Saturday night where an absolute shambles and the police should have been told that on no account were they to get drawn in to any physical altercations with protestors as it's just feed the frenzy. I’ll have a go at an answer, but someone more knowledgeable than me will probably be better. Saturday was a vigil, I guess with bringing a sense of togetherness and support for women who feel vulnerable. Symbolic solidarity as much as anything. I don’t think it was intended as a protest. However, in some sections, it became more of a protest along the lines of “we’re not taking this abuse anymore/the police should let us mourn” (my interpretation/wording). The gathering in parliament square today was more of a protest from the off and was partly to do with the heavy handed nature of the police response to the vigil and also to do with proposed bill put forward by the government and to be voted on tomorrow. These two things have essentially collided at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: I think perhaps some women are just getting fed up with the current state of things. They do get a bit delicate about rape and murder. One way of dealing with it, would be to reduce the number of police, reduce access to justice, release repeat offenders early, and promise stiffer sentences for the convicted. Another way of dealing with it could be a systematic review of how we design streets, and public transport, and people’s attitudes towards women being out in the dark. We could teach more about mutual respect, rights, basic good behaviour. We could have more police, or street ambassadors, or whatever but change their role to be a bit more public servant orientated. I don’t know, I genuinely don’t know half of what goes on, or half of what women think we could do to change it. I do know the current rules of the land and their enforcement absolutely do not do what they want. Luckily, our astute Home Secretary has a plan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 7 hours ago, Mark Albrighton said: I’ll have a go at an answer, but someone more knowledgeable than me will probably be better. Saturday was a vigil, I guess with bringing a sense of togetherness and support for women who feel vulnerable. Symbolic solidarity as much as anything. I don’t think it was intended as a protest. However, in some sections, it became more of a protest along the lines of “we’re not taking this abuse anymore/the police should let us mourn” (my interpretation/wording). The gathering in parliament square today was more of a protest from the off and was partly to do with the heavy handed nature of the police response to the vigil and also to do with proposed bill put forward by the government and to be voted on tomorrow. These two things have essentially collided at the same time. I have a wife and a daughter and you would expect as a minimum they would be safe to walk outside at night. I also have a son and expect him to be the same. Yes I guess that any attacks either verbal or physical will be carried out by males and it's already against the law so not sure what else can be expected to be done. The call for 6.00pm curfews are quite plainly ridiculous. In my opinion it's a reflection of where we are with society and attitudes need to change and that could take a generation to change. Let's hope it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 16, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 16, 2021 7 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: Luckily, our astute Home Secretary has a plan... Oh where do you start with that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, bickster said: Oh where do you start with that... The mind truly boggles... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 That’s nothing, in Australia uniformed officers patrol through popular bars with sniffer dogs in tow on a Friday and Saturday night. It puts a bit of a damper on your after work drinks when two cops are standing by your table and a police dog is sniffing round your pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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