StefanAVFC Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Mate, angering though the whole affair is - that sort of thing really isn't alright at the moment. Just highlighting why people may be more angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Just highlighting why people may be more angry. I was thinking more of the fact that you can't really pronounce people guilty of a crime before their trial has even started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I was thinking more of the fact that you can't really pronounce people guilty of a crime before their trial has even started. Then I retract and amend it to 'accused of murdering her', fair enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 In fairness to the Police they have only done what any decent Tory would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Then I retract and amend it to 'accused of murdering her', fair enough. His choice of career isn't especially relevant though is it? If he is guilty, he's clearly just a complete psychopath who just happened to be a police officer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2021 This is the violent scene the police closed in on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, bickster said: This is the violent scene the police closed in on I thought they said they initially got involved trying to break up the vigil because of Covid social distancing breaches (which tbf look justified) Edited March 14, 2021 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted March 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just to reassure any concerned parents out there, Winston is safe and sound. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted March 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2021 This country has gone flag shagging right wing psycho. Women are protesting against rape and murder, ‘quick! Form a protective ring around this statue of Winston’. Government sponsored book burning by mid summer at this rate. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2021 If Priti decides that something must be seen to be done and throws Cressida Dick under a bus (as I fully expect her to do), can you imagine the kind of monster she'll want to pick as her replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: If Priti decides that something must be seen to be done and throws Cressida Dick under a bus (as I fully expect her to do), can you imagine the kind of monster she'll want to pick as her replacement? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, Genie said: Covid social distancing breaches (which tbf look justified) Why haven't they acted in the same manner today then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Why haven't they acted in the same manner today then? Because of how badly it panned out yesterday I reckon. It would certainly turn ugly if they tried anything today. Edited March 14, 2021 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Genie said: Because of how badly it panned out yesterday I reckon. So attacking a field of women was ok yesterday because they thought they could get away with it and today they've had a bit of a rethink? That doesn't really reflect on what Dick and her Assistant were saying earlier in the day. They claimed they had no option and would do it again... except they didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, bickster said: So attacking a field of women was ok yesterday because they thought they could get away with it and today they've had a bit of a rethink? That doesn't really reflect on what Dick and her Assistant were saying earlier in the day. They claimed they had no option and would do it again... except they didn't I see it that they got it wrong yesterday, they should have treated the vigil in the same way as other protests over the past few months. Despite the Covid risk, it’s worse to get heavy handed. Leave them to it (unless they genuinely turn violent towards each other or the police). They can’t say officially they are just going to let protesters do what they like regards to Covid rules for obvious reasons, but I expect this is what the unofficial policy will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Also, we've had dozens of protests, here and in other countries, over the last year, and none of them have turned into superspreading events. Right-wingers now want this to turn out to be a superspreading event, just like they wanted Black Lives Matter to be last year. Left-wingers wanted Trump's supporters gathering in Washington and the EDL marches to be superspreading events. But it doesn't work like that, the virus isn't a moral agent that punishes your enemies. Gathering outdoors has repeatedly turned out not to be a significant risk. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, Genie said: I see it that they got it wrong yesterday, they should have treated the vigil in the same way as other protests over the past few months. Despite the Covid risk, it’s worse to get heavy handed. Leave them to it (unless they genuinely turn violent towards each other or the police). They can’t say officially they are just going to let protesters do what they like regards to Covid rules for obvious reasons, but I expect this is what the unofficial policy will be. Erm well actually there was a woman on the tellybox this morning representing the original organisers who cancelled that was specifically told by the police in their negotiations that if the vigil only lasted an hour or so, they would turn a blind eye. Apparently COVID only strikes if you’ve been out at least an hour. Its f***wittery of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 14, 2021 Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Also, we've had dozens of protests, here and in other countries, over the last year, and none of them have turned into superspreading events. Right-wingers now want this to turn out to be a superspreading event, just like they wanted Black Lives Matter to be last year. Left-wingers wanted Trump's supporters gathering in Washington and the EDL marches to be superspreading events. But it doesn't work like that, the virus isn't a moral agent that punishes your enemies. Gathering outdoors has repeatedly turned out not to be a significant risk. In fact isn’t there a Chris Whitty quote fro Fri or Sat, where he says that what was originally proposed does not represent a significant risk at all. Following the science... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, bickster said: In fact isn’t there a Chris Whitty quote fro Fri or Sat, where he says that what was originally proposed does not represent a significant risk at all. Following the science... I believe it was Vallance rather than Whitty, but yes that's right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 hours ago, ml1dch said: It also seems more than coincidental that the police don't seem quite so desperate to "step in" with the sort of group that will really fight back. So large groups of celebrating football fans or anti-lockdown dingbats can pretty much do what they like. Women holding candles saying that rape is A Bad Thing on the other hand are ripe for aggressive dispersal. They are basically sending the message that "if your demonstration is likely to smack us about a bit, we'll probably leave you alone". Which is unlikely to make their job easier in the long run. Police arrested 28 people when Rangers fans were celebrating and another 7 were given fixed penalty notices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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