TRO Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 11 hours ago, Tom13 said: "I know I'm a player that has lots of quality and that I'm able to be freer. Sometimes as a six you don't have that level of freedom. "I have played as a number eight before at Vasco de Gama, so I'm able to adapt to the various positions quite easily. It enables me to use my qualities to get assists, get goals. Obviously if I'm closer to goal, I'm a lot happier. "The closer you are to goal, the easier it is to score. I know that I have a good shot, I'm good in the box, so hopefully this can help my career and I can get more goals and assists in the future. "It's not about whether I like it or prefer one position or not, football nowadays is a lot of marking and attacking and defending in all areas. "Even as a number eight, I find myself marking a lot more because you've got to consider the wingers, you've got to consider the other midfielders, so there's a lot of marking. "There aren't really any positions anymore where you don't mark and you just have the ball at your feet. It doesn't really exist anymore, so that's good for me and my various experiences in different positions." All makes sense. listening to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) I think the frustration with Dougie is as much an identity crisis for the fans as it is Dougie lacking in any position or role he's deployed in. We just don't know what to expect, and that frustrates as. We fear what we don't know. I remember when he let that pass go through his legs and directly to an opponents feet, on the edge of the box, and what was sending the Villa faithful mad was that he deliberately didn't look at where it might end up. What a blunder. It was in that moment I honestly saw for myself for the first time we had a special player with a stroke of genius in him. Absolute fool to try that at the end of the pitch that he did, idiotic, and it cost us, but a fool can learn more from a foolish question than an intelligent person who never asks because they think they ought to know already can. Dougie certainly can ask questions of our opponents and if they are up to it. If that move had been on the edge of the box in our attacking third, good chance it's falls to one of our men with opponents unawares to what can happen and a few steps behind getting to the contest. He's versatile enough to play as both an eight and a six imo. Yet he's been between the two and a hybrid like a volante I suppose. In any case or position, Dougie is still cutting his teeth. 23 years old, not blessed with athletic prowess, he's got a huge responsibility and while young men have energy and are less concerned with fatigue and balancing energy expenditure, they are not battle hardened yet. For me when Dougie has the experience to accompany the bright spark he has, he could be a versatile midfielder the PL remembers for a while. Edited January 26, 2022 by A'Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted January 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2022 Collymore thinks he's "dreadful" * What more evidence do you need that he's a good player *apparently, I'm blocked 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 And who better to guide and instruct Dougie Luiz than the versatile man himself who played nearly every role on the pitch let alone midfield, SG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted January 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2022 So another good reason to sign a really good number six is so Luiz can play further up the pitch, he was excellent as one of the 8s for us when Gerrard first changed the shape and Nakamba was playing as the 6. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, A'Villan said: I think the frustration with Dougie is as much an identity crisis for the fans as it is Dougie lacking in any position or role he's deployed in. We just don't know what to expect, and that frustrates as. We fear what we don't know. I remember when he let that pass go through his legs and directly to an opponents feet, on the edge of the box, and what was sending the Villa faithful mad was that he deliberately didn't look at where it might end up. What a blunder. It was in that moment I honestly saw for myself for the first time we had a special player with a stroke of genius in him. Absolute fool to try that at the end of the pitch that he did, idiotic, and it cost us, but a fool can learn more from a foolish question than an intelligent person who never asks because they think they ought to know already can. Dougie certainly can ask questions of our opponents and if they are up to it. If that move had been on the edge of the box in our attacking third, good chance it's falls to one of our men with opponents unawares to what can happen and a few steps behind getting to the contest. He's versatile enough to play as both an eight and a six imo. Yet he's been between the two and a hybrid like a volante I suppose. In any case or position, Dougie is still cutting his teeth. 23 years old, not blessed with athletic prowess, he's got a huge responsibility and while young men have energy and are less concerned with fatigue and balancing energy expenditure, they are not battle hardened yet. For me when Dougie has the experience to accompany the bright spark he has, he could be a versatile midfielder the PL remembers for a while. I think this is very much the problem we have been having with our midfield this season, Luiz, mcginn, ramsey, even season all seem to be "8s" who can also play as a "6" rather than specialists. As we saw with Nakamba the first few games under SG, having a specialist 6 can make quite the difference. Edited January 26, 2022 by Icarium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonLax Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 If we do manage to get the Bentancur deal over the line it will allow Luiz to play further forward and hopefully he will stay with us for the long haul in that role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 So from the horse's mouth ayyy " We know he likes to play a bit further forward " according to Gerrard @TRO However our own seem to think we are doing him a disservice by not realising he's the Brazilian Kante. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, LondonLax said: If we do manage to get the Bentancur deal over the line it will allow Luiz to play further forward and hopefully he will stay with us for the long haul in that role. This is how I see it. 2 of McGinn, Ramsey & Dougie to play infront of a proper 6. Shame Nakamba got injured when he did. A specialist DM, which RB is, is pivotal to how we want to play under SG. Dougie is inconsistent as DM, has some very good games there, others not so much. He’s learned the position to a decent standard simply by becoming so used to being asked to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2022 Seems odd to me that we haven't started contract discussions with him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted January 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Seems odd to me that we haven't started contract discussions with him yet. I would say we have but nothing can be agreed, once he gets to his last year in his contract he would be a fool to sign for us when he can go for free on a massive contract because there's no transfer fee to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Whatever happens, we all thought we’d get a season, 2 tops out of him when he signed. We’ll get 3, maybe 4, and all it cost was £15m. Earned his first caps for Brazil while here, been a good servant. Hopefully it gets resolved either way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Probably wants a massive pay increase but we're not finding those performance levels worth it at the moment to warrant it. Hope it all gets sorted though. Bloke has so much potential and 23 still 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 11 hours ago, Humanoid said:There doesn`t seem to me to be any conclusive evidence about the midfield turning into shambles when Luiz isn`t playing as the Palace and Brighton games show. If Gerrard can upgrade on him, then all well and good. If he can`t, then stick with him over Nakamba. I can think of one example: last time we played Wolves and Smith subbed Nakamba on for Luiz at 60 minutes and 2-0 up… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: I can think of one example: last time we played Wolves and Smith subbed Nakamba on for Luiz at 60 minutes and 2-0 up… Nakamba never looked great under Smith though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Nakamba never looked great under Smith though Think that's unfair to him, he held his own as a role player and did what was asked loads of times IMO. Got a bit more help when Gerrard came in and made the team a bit more narrow. Not sure how much was down to coaching considering he only managed 1 month (or 5 games) under Gerrard and his coaches before he got injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: So from the horse's mouth ayyy " We know he likes to play a bit further forward " according to Gerrard @TRO However our own seem to think we are doing him a disservice by not realising he's the Brazilian Kante. Kante plays further forward than Luiz. Jorginho is the deepest Chelsea midfielder Edited January 26, 2022 by Zatman 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, sne said: Think that's unfair to him, he held his own as a role player and did what was asked loads of times IMO. Got a bit more help when Gerrard came in and made the team a bit more narrow. Not sure how much was down to coaching considering he only managed 1 month (or 5 games) under Gerrard and his coaches before he got injured. It was all down to coaching and the shape of the team, he was the stand out player when Gerrard first came in and if he hadn’t of gotten injured we would have more points on the board . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 28 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: I can think of one example: last time we played Wolves and Smith subbed Nakamba on for Luiz at 60 minutes and 2-0 up… And the week previous, Luiz played the whole game in a 3-1 loss to Arsenal, and that midfield was a shambles the entire game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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