VillaChris Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just now, Tom13 said: Yeah. I think you're right tbh. I did like him, and even thought criticism of him was harsh, but i think it may have been right. I think his early reputation proceeds (right word?) him a fair bit. How often do you see him dominate a forward? Hardly ever. His passing is always safe, he's prone to an error. He hasn't filled me with confidence for a long time. He played his part in the run in when we had the great escape and he was very good for most of 20/21 and was probably worth an England call up. Last 18 months though he just looks a very average premier league CB and indeed more backup quality now than week in week out starter. Some of his passes are horrific. One v Leicester he hit straight at one of their midfielders who played it through and then Iheanacho missed the one on one and today Odegaard really should've scored so he could've easily cost us more goals than Mings but for poor finishing by opposition. Mings-Konsa simply is too error prone these days to be a defensive partnership that can get us close to european qualification so it needs to be broken up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted February 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2023 emery was apoplectic at that error that let nketieh in. really going ballistic at him. he'll be 4th choice CB by the start of next season IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: He played his part in the run in when we had the great escape and he was very good for most of 20/21 and was probably worth an England call up. Last 18 months though he just looks a very average premier league CB and indeed more backup quality now than week in week out starter. Some of his passes are horrific. One v Leicester he hit straight at one of their midfielders who played it through and then Iheanacho missed the one on one and today Odegaard really should've scored so he could've easily cost us more goals than Mings but for poor finishing by opposition. Mings-Konsa simply is too error prone these days to be a defensive partnership that can get us close to european qualification so it needs to be broken up. He arrived with a lot of promise but he’s stagnated for a good while now. He shouldn’t be an automatic starter, but I hope that with quality competition it pushes him onwards. Not seen the progression you’d hope. Yes, Mings makes mistakes but he brings so much more to his game but with Ezri? He’s more of a passenger and just isn’t the level you’d expect given the level of league experience he now has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Carlos will be straight in once he is up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Was driving me nuts second half as I was sat in North Stand right behind him. He just kept faffing with the ball trying to square it to Emi all the time. Knew it would backfire before too long. All he had to do was take a touch and fire it up field. May not be pretty but just get rid out of the box. He did some good stuff too but generally needs to give his head a wobble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Can’t pass it to anyone but back to Emi or square to Mings or a useless ball out to the RB. Opponents know this and use his possession to trigger their press. He will be gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 We need to go all out for Pau Torres and play him alongside Diego Carlos with Konsa and Mings as back-ups. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Glad I'm not the only one seeing this. Konsa has become a bit of a problem for us when playing out of the back. He's not comfortable enough on the ball and tends to panic when he plays the pass. He slows the game down with his indecisions, and it means that we struggle to beat the press. When playing out from the back it should be quick switching between the centre backs until an option opens up and you beat the first line. Defensively Konsa is sound, which makes it a shame. Under Gerrard he did everything that was being asked of him, unfortunately for him under Emery he just can't do what we need him to do. Carlos will no doubt replace him when he's back fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 13 hours ago, wilko154 said: Glad I'm not the only one seeing this. Konsa has become a bit of a problem for us when playing out of the back. He's not comfortable enough on the ball and tends to panic when he plays the pass. He slows the game down with his indecisions, and it means that we struggle to beat the press. When playing out from the back it should be quick switching between the centre backs until an option opens up and you beat the first line. Defensively Konsa is sound, which makes it a shame. Under Gerrard he did everything that was being asked of him, unfortunately for him under Emery he just can't do what we need him to do. Carlos will no doubt replace him when he's back fit. I think in a defensive system he would be fine and follows instructions but on the ball he wont be a top 10 Premier League player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) I don't think he is commanding enough as a centre back for what we need or as good on the ball as what we need. Adequate back-up for next season. Edited February 19, 2023 by Brumstopdogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Wouldn't be surprised to see him shine as an Emery RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Wouldn't be surprised to see him shine as an Emery RB. No chance. His distribution is too poor and he can't run the line. He's totally the wrong type of player to play out wide unless you're in total defensive mode or aren't reliant on FB width. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 50 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Wouldn't be surprised to see him shine as an Emery RB. Maybe it’s something he’ll try with Carlos back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Evans Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 20 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Wouldn't be surprised to see him shine as an Emery RB. A Steve Bruce or Martin O'Neil right back perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Stephen_Evans said: A Steve Bruce or Martin O'Neil right back perhaps? What overpriced and shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 20 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Wouldn't be surprised to see him shine as an Emery RB. That’s a good idea when Diego is back as Unai might push Cash upwards or drop him for particular games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 If he plays right back how is he going to play the only pass he is capable of which is a five yarder to the right back? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Putting him at RB solves absolutely nothing while also creating new problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I'm quite surprised to see a lot of criticism about Konsa. I think he's the more suited centre back (than Mings) for what Emery wants to achieve. He keeps passing short and simple. The error to let Nketiah through was obviously a big one but, by and large, I think he's been decent recently and is doing what Emery wants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, bobzy said: I'm quite surprised to see a lot of criticism about Konsa. I think he's the more suited centre back (than Mings) for what Emery wants to achieve. He keeps passing short and simple. The error to let Nketiah through was obviously a big one but, by and large, I think he's been decent recently and is doing what Emery wants. I think it’s vastly the opposite. The CB needs to be able to make passes between the lines to our center mids and strikers and hit switches, especially Konsa to Moreno. If we’re building out from the back, it’s crucial that center backs can make good passes between the lines and switches out wide. Konsa, by stats and by the eye test, can not pass under any pressure and in between the lines. Nor can I ever recall him trying to hit a cross field ball. Edited February 20, 2023 by DJBOB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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