Wesley Moraes

[zab6359]

1 hour ago, Stevo985 said:

@zab6359 could you get a CV knocked up for me?

I'm on the phone to Villa now to let them know that all of their doctors and physios don't know what they're on about, and this chancer on the internet knows better than all of them. They may as well cut costs by sacking them all and hiring you instead.

If you could get it over to me within the hour it would be perfect

So you know hes been told to go back to Brazil for his rehab then?

He'll be back clocking in at BMH daily soon enough, the Villa drs, physios and s & c staff get paid to do a job and won't want the clubs most expensive player away from there watchful eye for too long (trust me I'm not a doctor )

[Nigel]

1 hour ago, Chindie said:

Players from different cultures, particularly South America, often go home following major injuries. The club will be in touch with him and whatnot, but going home to family while he's not able to train and play properly is better for him than sitting around in what is still a new environment that he's probably still quite isolated in, which will knock his morale even more than 'just' the injury would.

Absolutely, you also have to consider this is horrible news for a man barely out of his teens, anyone would want to go home at this time .

[Dave-R]

3 hours ago, lexicon said:

Calling a serious injury to one of our players a blessing of any description is frankly disgusting. 

Unfortunately some of those who were giving Wesley such huge grief for not scoring, may also see that.

I think it without any doubt puts us and our season at even bigger risk. As you say Wesley may of just started to find his feet, the idea that we can not even field the players we want to is highly frustrating and annoying.

Let's hope that we can buy a replaceme t and an extra striker on top of that. I would most definitely sell Kodjia now and use that cash to fund someone.

I don't see how FFP should be affecting us, we used around three quarters of our promotion money did we not, isn't that accounted for in FFP?? if it is then we went 150mil+ in good credit with FFP. If I'm right isn't it 105 million across three seasons and upon entering the premier which is different rules on FFP to the championship, being a new team we start a fresh in FFP as its our first season. To me it sounds as though we could go still spend a decent amount.

We will see anyway, this month will hopefully bring in some sweet additions.

[Stevo985]

10 minutes ago, zab6359 said:

So you know hes been told to go back to Brazil for his rehab then?

He'll be back clocking in at BMH daily soon enough, the Villa drs, physios and s & c staff get paid to do a job and won't want the clubs most expensive player away from there watchful eye for too long (trust me I'm not a doctor )

No but I imagine whatever he's doing it's with the advice or blessing of the medical staff, who I'm guessing know a damn sight more about rehab from this injury than you or I.

So it's probably a safe bet that whatever he's doing is the right thing  

[Sam-AVFC]

2 hours ago, zab6359 said:

Thanks doc

You don’t see the irony in this after fansplaining how he should be handling his recovery?

[lexicon]

He'll more than likely rehab in Brazil but it's highly unlikely that there's a better specialist there than in the UK, so I imagine he'll have had his orders first. 

[TreeVillan]

1 minute ago, lexicon said:

He'll more than likely rehab in Brazil but it's highly unlikely that there's a better specialist there than in the UK, so I imagine he'll have had his orders first. 

Unless surgery is required then I can't see why Brazil would have any worse physiotherapy facilities than us?

[Jareth]

I imagine his mental health is as important as fixing his leg, so 9 months of gruelling frustrating recovery in the Midlands, or in sunny Rio. Hmmmm.....

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

1 hour ago, Phil Silvers said:

Sad for the big man but the reality is that he is done now, by the time he his fit he will have been replaced by better. Should we stay up, the next squad additions will be of a level that will see Wes struggle to get on the bench. 

Injuries still happen, hence why we have a "Squad", we also play alot of games, especially if we go on cup runs etc.

What if said "High level addition" striker suffered an injury similar to what Wes had just done?

We needed a striker or two BEFORE his injury anyway.

I'm not sure if you think we will be signing the likes of Mbappe or something.

If he can get back to full fitness, and show the progress which looked likely based on last performance, I think he is far from "Done".

Even if that meant going out on loan for a spell.

[DJ_Villain]

4 hours ago, Dave-R said:

The tackle was dangerous, a tackle that should of been given a red card I think. You could see in that tackle that not only is there intent in taking someone down, but intent on making sure they don't get back up.

When you have other football clubs fans blasting a player for there recklessness, in this case Liverpool fans it only says one thing about the challange. A scissor like challange like that, Wesley was lucky to be carried off without breaking anything.

As it stands have you all noticed something, it seems to be our players during matches mostly that are getting hurt, there is a very reckless behaviour in the premier. I once thought this importing behaviour was confined to the championship, only because of the extra competition of trying to achieve promotion, it appears it's also in the the premier. I'm afraid for our season on a few levels now, that we now need a bigger squad because of the injurys were picking up out of players trying to take down our lads.

Referees have without a doubt gotten soft, a tackle like what was made on Wesley should of brought that ref into action, that Action that should of resulted in a red. A player gets injured on that level it changes our season, yet these soft refs give the player who made the nasty challange a yellow, the punishment doesn't fit the crime as they say.

Exactly...

 

It’s (pretty much) assault and Ben Mee should not only be banned, but prosecuted

[DCJonah]

26 minutes ago, Dave-R said:

Unfortunately some of those who were giving Wesley such huge grief for not scoring, may also see that.

I think it without any doubt puts us and our season at even bigger risk. As you say Wesley may of just started to find his feet, the idea that we can not even field the players we want to is highly frustrating and annoying.

Let's hope that we can buy a replaceme t and an extra striker on top of that. I would most definitely sell Kodjia now and use that cash to fund someone.

I don't see how FFP should be affecting us, we used around three quarters of our promotion money did we not, isn't that accounted for in FFP?? if it is then we went 150mil+ in good credit with FFP. If I'm right isn't it 105 million across three seasons and upon entering the premier which is different rules on FFP to the championship, being a new team we start a fresh in FFP as its our first season. To me it sounds as though we could go still spend a decent amount.

We will see anyway, this month will hopefully bring in some sweet additions.

It is in no way a blessing. But it is also not a major struggle to replace what he was giving us. 

I think we'd have been bringing someone in regardless of his injury. The squad is a bit weaker but again, if davis is fit, I'd be surprised if as back up he can't offer similar to wesley. 

[Phil Silvers]

10 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Injuries still happen, hence why we have a "Squad", we also play alot of games, especially if we go on cup runs etc.

What if said "High level addition" striker suffered an injury similar to what Wes had just done?

We needed a striker or two BEFORE his injury anyway.

I'm not sure if you think we will be signing the likes of Mbappe or something.

If he can get back to full fitness, and show the progress which looked likely based on last performance, I think he is far from "Done".

Even if that meant going out on loan for a spell.

 

My personal thought was that we would be looking to upgrade on Wes this window anyway, although he has show glimpses of potential, Wes has hardly been a success. What I meant was that he will have a career but I doubt he will get back in as our main striker, when we stay up the next level should be additions to see us get in top ten, the next windows to progress further etc etc

If that is achievable, I’m hoping, if it happens, do you see Wes coming back in as a starter?

 

[DCJonah]

8 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said:

 

My personal thought was that we would be looking to upgrade on Wes this window anyway, although he has show glimpses of potential, Wes has hardly been a success. What I meant was that he will have a career but I doubt he will get back in as our main striker, when we stay up the next level should be additions to see us get in top ten, the next windows to progress further etc etc

If that is achievable, I’m hoping, if it happens, do you see Wes coming back in as a starter?

 

Its going to be a struggle. He might not be back till september/october and then he's going to take time to get back to full 100% match fitness. 

Stay up or relegated we will be buying a main striker this summer. It will make it difficult for wesley to regain that spot. 

Will he be happy as back up? Will the club see financial sense in having a £23 million signing as back up?

I think this injury could well change his career with us. 

[zab6359]

1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said:

You don’t see the irony in this after fansplaining how he should be handling his recovery?

I've not said how he should be handling his recovery, I've said how i'd prefer him too there's a difference but some on here just like a good argument it brightens up there day 

[Sam-AVFC]

2 minutes ago, zab6359 said:

I've not said how he should be handling his recovery, I've said how i'd prefer him too there's a difference but some on here just like a good argument it brightens up there day 

Fair enough. That’s not how I read “if it’s good enough for Jack...” though. Your next post that I missed was more conciliatory. 

I argue for a job so I understand people who love a fight!

[Dave-R]

49 minutes ago, DCJonah said:

Its going to be a struggle. He might not be back till september/october and then he's going to take time to get back to full 100% match fitness. 

Stay up or relegated we will be buying a main striker this summer. It will make it difficult for wesley to regain that spot. 

Will he be happy as back up? Will the club see financial sense in having a £23 million signing as back up?

I think this injury could well change his career with us. 

Hopefully and I'm sure he has it in him, is to ride the waves that have now been laid in front of him, come back stronger than ever and fight for his place. There maybe a good chance that he for now would be willing to accept second spot, he may realise he is at the moment needing to work on many aspect of the game to improve and eventually dethrone the new striker. Would be one hell of a comeback for the lad if he managed it all.

As for us owning a striker more expensive than Wesley and owning Wesley as a second striker, I don't see why not. So long as we keep wages as low as possible then it really shouldn't be  a problem in having a big squad and I think untill we hit top ten as a club, players can't really expect huge wage rises anyway. I also do not think we'd get what we asked for from a Wesley sale, he cost 22 million and as it stands I'm not sure we'd even be able to fetch three quarters back. Would have to cut our losses, which I hope we stop having to do as its about time sales come with profit for us. Eome of the top clubs would turn Wesley into a crazy goal machine no doubt, yet the chance on any of them buying him are next to nothing, i doubt any prem team would buy Wesley Best place for Wesley i think is with us, a second season in the premier would be more suited for him, hed be relaxed enough or should be to make his mark for real.

I'd like Wes to remain at Villa, I like the bloke, yet i do think when he returns he should be made to fight for his place and if he can not do it then he either is content on second place striker or we sell for what we can get.

No matter what I'd sell Kodjia, Hogan, Davis, Lansbury and Kalanic, use whatever we gain from them and put coinage towards the sales money and bring two  brand new strikers in.

Edited January 3, 2020 by Dave-R

[Paddywhack]

4 hours ago, zab6359 said:

Thanks doc

I mean...the irony.

[zab6359]

7 minutes ago, Paddywhack said:

I mean...the irony.

Jeez some people are just like that old girlfriend who liked to drag out an argument 

[Tom13]

I don't need convincing that Ben Mee is a word removed, but Ian Taylor isn't happy about it either and says something happened between them in the first half which means he went with intent to injure. Anyone see that?

[KentVillan]

1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said:

You don’t see the irony in this after fansplaining how he should be handling his recovery?

Fansplaining is an amazing, amazing addition to the English language.

1 hour ago, DCJonah said:

It is in no way a blessing. But it is also not a major struggle to replace what he was giving us. 

I think we'd have been bringing someone in regardless of his injury. The squad is a bit weaker but again, if davis is fit, I'd be surprised if as back up he can't offer similar to wesley. 

This is the key point. The Wesley injury doesn't help our season in any way, because we were chasing reinforcements up front anyway. All it gives us is one less option in attack, and dents the resale value of probably our 4th or 5th most valuable asset (I know, he's shit, he's a **** donkey, bla bla, but the market doesn't work like that). Plus Smith had just found a system that seemed to suit his game. It's really bad news.