blandy Posted October 31, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, Zatman said: Tammy had 4 goals in his 1st 10 games for Villa. Nobody was criticizing him this badly He was contributing much more to the team. Perhaps that's why? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted October 31, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Not sure you've got the memo but it's not about the goals apparently, not important for strikers anymore, apparently we're better off having a forward with no goal threat who can 'bring others into play'. Clearly all the top teams in the world are managed by idiots for signing and persisting with goalscorers up top. Clearly all the top teams in the world don't buy strikers at Wesley's price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Villa fans have a weird approach to strikers. Scott Hogan was passionately defended on a weekly basis, people wanted give Ross McCormack more chances. John Carew is loved by Villa fans but on his day he could be as lazy as you get on the pitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted October 31, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, blandy said: He was contributing much more to the team. Perhaps that's why? Are people deliberately not understanding? It's strange. See the game last night? Trezeguet struggled big time. Just before he came off he gave Lansbury a sitter which he missed. If that went in, which it should have, and Trez had an assist it wouldn't magically mean he played well for the last 70 mins. This is Wes' problem for me. He's not doing anywhere near enough in general play. His best spell was easily the first 20 mins v Norwich. He won everything and put us in a great position to attack. If he didn't score that game and we won 1-0 or 2-0 that would still be his best performance for me. Better than Everton and Arsenal where he scored. Overall in-play contribution will lead to the team scoring more, especially the way we play now. I don't care who scores, I want Villa winning. Funnily enough, Wes playing better will also mean Wes scores more. Edited October 31, 2019 by Tomaszk 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted October 31, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: Villa fans have a weird approach to strikers. Scott Hogan was passionately defended on a weekly basis, people wanted give Ross McCormack more chances. John Carew is loved by Villa fans but on his day he could be as lazy as you get on the pitch yes but carew always seemed to pop up in the right place and stick the ball in the back of the net despite his laziness. bruce was blamed for hogan's ineptitude, saying the style of football was the reason he wasn't scoring and im sure anyone wanting ross to get more chances were in the minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Are people deliberately not understanding? It's strange. See the game last night? Trezeguet struggled big time. Just before he came off he gave Lansbury a sitter which he missed. If that went in, which it should have, and Trez had an assist it wouldn't magically mean he played well for the last 70 mins. This is Wes' problem for me. He's not doing anywhere near enough in general play. His best spell was easily the first 20 mins v Norwich. He won everything and put us in a great position to attack. If he did score that game and we won 1-0 or 2-0 that would still be his best performance for me. Better than Everton and Arsenal where he scored. Overall in-play contribution will lead to the team scoring more, especially the way we play now. I don't care who scores, I want Villa winning. Funnily enough, Wes playing better will also mean Wes scores more. The games he has scored in he has contributed, more than just goals. The point me and other make about Wesley is that what he has done so far is a decent effort and we expect him to get better so to scrap him now makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Philosopher said: I don't think so. Neither does Smith (who has worked with Maupay) because we paid more for Wesley than Brighton did for Maupay. Personally I feel Maupay may well have had a bigger instant impact, but for me it's clear Wesley has a higher talent ceiling. Really? I think DS will be thinking he's made a mistake by not signing him (or someone else) in the summer. In the PL you need someone who can make an instant impact particularly when he's your only striker, not saying Wes won't get there but if he needs time to be coached and to develop we need a decent alternative we have no depth there whatsoever which is worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I’m a simple soul. I want us to play a guy up top who will score around 10 League goals over the Season. (with rare exceptions more than that is reserved for guys playing in the Top 6). Ive no reason to think Wesley won’t do that, or that Keinan will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Best trait about Wesley is he's very determined to improve. It seems to be evident in other aspects of life too. Look at how much his English has improved since he joined. It's remarkable. Which is why I'm willing to be patient with him and I think why Dean is too. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Best trait about Wesley is he's very determined to improve. It seems to be evident in other aspects of life too. Look at how much his English has improved since he joined. It's remarkable. Which is why I'm willing to be patient with him and I think why Dean is too. I think his English was there or thereabouts already but he didn’t have the confidence to use it in interviews. I remember seeing a training vid where he was chatting quite happily to Jack. And therein lies the key to Wesley: his confidence can get v low. Dean knows this and won’t drop him, at least not this side of Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Keyblade said: Best trait about Wesley is he's very determined to improve. Wish he would be determined to stop with the diving. It's embarrassing. That would be a start to make me like him more as a player. Edited October 31, 2019 by villalad21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 @Villan4Life what do you make of Wesley mate? At times he looks so out of his depth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: @Villan4Life what do you make of Wesley mate? At times he looks so out of his depth. I rate him mate he’s one that does need time.. mentioned here few weeks ago on this thread It’s obvious he needs time But potential is there plus he has good characteristics too in the four corner model he in my view hits all 4 targets which not many Players do. He can only improve just my view of course Edited November 1, 2019 by Villan4Life 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Villan4Life said: I Rate him mate. One that does need time.. mentioned here few weeks ago on this thread few weeks back it’s obvious he needs time. But potential is there plus he has goof characteristics too in the four corner model he in my view hits all 4 targets.. He can only improve just my view of course Cheers mate. You are our resident scout aren’t you? Hope I’ve got the right person 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Cheers mate. You are our resident scout aren’t you? Hope I’ve got the right person Yes mate Edited November 2, 2019 by Villan4Life 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Just now, Villan4Life said: Yes mate ex First Team Scout at St Mirren. Current First Team Scour at Salford City and Academy Recruitment Manager/Scout at Crewe Alexandra FC. Then if you rate Wesley and see the potential then it’s good enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan4Life Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Then if you rate Wesley and see the potential then it’s good enough for me You’re too kind mate. UTV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 22 hours ago, KevinRichardsonsMoustache said: I think his English was there or thereabouts already Be gone Steve Bruce, be gone! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIVillan Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 When we have had Marvin bloody Harewood playing up front for us I am very happy with Wes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 23 hours ago, terrytini said: I’m a simple soul. I want us to play a guy up top who will score around 10 League goals over the Season. (with rare exceptions more than that is reserved for guys playing in the Top 6). Ive no reason to think Wesley won’t do that, or that Keinan will. If your guy up top scores a measly ten goals in a season. Your in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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