Popular Post andym Posted January 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, lexicon said: Too many mistakes for what, exactly? - He was the stand-out performer of the CBs - We restricted Everton to ONE shot on target, largely thanks to his marshalling of the defence, again - He cleared that shot off the line It's **** embarrassing to read some of these posts. One of if not Everton's best chance was a free header for Richarlson 8 yards out, a chance that came about because Konsa just stood a yard behind barely attempting a challenge (a not uncommon occurance for him - he gets caught out on crosses quite often, its his biggest weakness) Yet as usual the Mings thread is the active one with endless nitpicking 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sharkyvilla Posted January 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2022 I never get this Mings vs Konsa thing, centre backs are a partnership and they're both great at what they do. If they were in competition for the same place in the team then fair enough but they aren't. Up against Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin plus under Ferguson's management was about as tough a physical test they'd come up against in a season and Mings dealt with it really well. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 49 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I think martinez did get a hand to it But I also don't think he has bionic wrists that could result in the ball being pawed away in that fashion The trajectory of the ball suggests it was mings head that ultimately saved it... Doesn't mean that martinez wouldnt have but that he didn't have to because mings was there Its crazy that some have had a hard time accepting it though, almost like they don't want it to be mings I'm not as strong as Martinez, and I can easily make a ball do that. I love Mings and Martinez, so I'm not biased at all and the replays make it look like Martinez 100%. I'm not sure why you'd think this is a conspiracy to not give Mings his credit. In fact, the only bit of evidence otherwise is a hilariously unclear photo that doesn't show Martinez's hand. That photo above doesn't help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I think the answer to improving Mings lapses of concentration was highlighted yesterday. In the first half there were three occasions where he looked vulnerable. Each time was when he had loads of time on the ball and was playing at half pace or less. When he has too much time to think he sometimes confuses himself about what he's going to do next after a couple of extra touches. When he plays with a faster tempo his brain is totally engaged and much less lightly to lose concentration. If SG can coach that inherent laid back attitude out of him he can become a 100% rock. He was important to us yesterday and was commanding most of the time. We probably wouldn't have got that result without him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 17 hours ago, Rolta said: I'm not as strong as Martinez, and I can easily make a ball do that. I love Mings and Martinez, so I'm not biased at all and the replays make it look like Martinez 100%. I'm not sure why you'd think this is a conspiracy to not give Mings his credit. In fact, the only bit of evidence otherwise is a hilariously unclear photo that doesn't show Martinez's hand. That photo above doesn't help at all. I believe it was both. Martinez also shaked his hand as if it got hit by something afterwards. My guess is that Mings powered his hand from behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allani Posted January 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, MentalM said: I believe it was both. Martinez also shaked his hand as if it got hit by something afterwards. My guess is that Mings powered his hand from behind. I'm not even sure why this is being discussed (sorry yours was just the last post to mention it). The point is that Everton had one shot on target from a header and both our keeper and our central defender had it covered. If Emi doesn't get there, Mings has it under control. Suggests that we've set ourselves up pretty well to deal with that situation. Also suggests that both players deserve credit for doing their jobs regardless of who did / didn't actually touch the ball. All a bit pointless. 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, allani said: I'm not even sure why this is being discussed (sorry yours was just the last post to mention it). The point is that Everton had one shot on target from a header and both our keeper and our central defender had it covered. If Emi doesn't get there, Mings has it under control. Suggests that we've set ourselves up pretty well to deal with that situation. Also suggests that both players deserve credit for doing their jobs regardless of who did / didn't actually touch the ball. All a bit pointless. 100% agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted January 24, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2022 17 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: I never get this Mings vs Konsa thing, centre backs are a partnership and they're both great at what they do. If they were in competition for the same place in the team then fair enough but they aren't. Up against Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin plus under Ferguson's management was about as tough a physical test they'd come up against in a season and Mings dealt with it really well. i don't think anyone's trying to do mings vs konsa, it's more highlighting how no one brings up anything konsa does wrong yet mings' performance are dissected with minute detail. i mean, look at the amount of people trying to figure out whether it was mings or emi that saved it ffs. i'm guilty of it too. mings is probably my favourite AVFC player so it's difficult not to bite when he has a great game, keeps a clean sheet, and people are still finding things to criticise. reading some posts since the game you'd think we kept a clean sheet in spite of mings 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Our record without Mings is making him look like Grealish. The guy is a vital part of this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Absolute boss on Saturday. Him and Konsa are so good together. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted January 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: i don't think anyone's trying to do mings vs konsa, it's more highlighting how no one brings up anything konsa does wrong yet mings' performance are dissected with minute detail. i mean, look at the amount of people trying to figure out whether it was mings or emi that saved it ffs. i'm guilty of it too. mings is probably my favourite AVFC player so it's difficult not to bite when he has a great game, keeps a clean sheet, and people are still finding things to criticise. reading some posts since the game you'd think we kept a clean sheet in spite of mings Exactly that Mings plays under a microscope that other players don't for whatever reason, there is definitely an element of "wheres mings" with every goal we concede and he's somehow costing us goals every week despite our keeper setting a clean sheet record last season... He has his faults and sometimes deserves criticism but it's outright **** weird on here at times 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Exactly that Mings plays under a microscope that other players don't for whatever reason, there is definitely an element of "wheres mings" with every goal we concede and he's somehow costing us goals every week despite our keeper setting a clean sheet record last season... He has his faults and sometimes deserves criticism but it's outright **** weird on here at times He has it with England fans too. He’s only ever covered himself in glory when asked to play. Was great first few games of the euros before Slab head came back in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, spiezels said: He has it with England fans too. He’s only ever covered himself in glory when asked to play. Was great first few games of the euros before Slab head came back in. England is even weirder, he's not made a single mistake leading to a goal and has this brilliant record of something like 12 clean sheets in 16 games and yet he's not good enough? How's that work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted January 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Exactly that Mings plays under a microscope that other players don't for whatever reason, there is definitely an element of "wheres mings" with every goal we concede and he's somehow costing us goals every week despite our keeper setting a clean sheet record last season... He has his faults and sometimes deserves criticism but it's outright **** weird on here at times I just don't get it. I might understand it somewhat if he was an utter prick. But he's a superb bloke. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 19 hours ago, villabromsgrove said: If SG can coach that inherent laid back attitude out of him he can become a 100% rock. As others have mentioned, it seems impossible to pinpoint why Mings seems to be dissected after each game yet Konsa doesn't. Taking that aside, no CB will ever be a 100% rock. I can dig out compilation videos of Nesta getting shitpants'd over and over or Vidic making **** howlers if you like. It doesn't make them bad defenders. I'm not saying Tyrone is in that league, but he's a **** good defender, our leader, vital to our team and most of all, he's a thoroughly decent human being who is very likeable. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Steero113 said: As others have mentioned, it seems impossible to pinpoint why Mings seems to be dissected after each game yet Konsa doesn't. Taking that aside, no CB will ever be a 100% rock. I can dig out compilation videos of Nesta getting shitpants'd over and over or Vidic making **** howlers if you like. It doesn't make them bad defenders. I'm not saying Tyrone is in that league, but he's a **** good defender, our leader, vital to our team and most of all, he's a thoroughly decent human being who is very likeable. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tomav84 Posted January 24, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I just don't get it. I might understand it somewhat if he was an utter prick. But he's a superb bloke. going to get my head bitten off by saying this, but i'll say it anyway... the criticism started when he started being more outspoken off the pitch and going on anti racism marches. there's a portion of football fans that wants players to "stick to football". see replies to tweets from gary neville or gary linekar criticising the government as some examples. his off the pitch conduct is one of the things i like most about him btw...not putting myself in that bracket 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, tomav84 said: going to get my head bitten off by saying this, but i'll say it anyway... the criticism started when he started being more outspoken off the pitch and going on anti racism marches. there's a portion of football fans that wants players to "stick to football". see replies to tweets from gary neville or gary linekar criticising the government as some examples. his off the pitch conduct is one of the things i like most about him btw...not putting myself in that bracket I think there's probably some truth in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Unpopular opinion. But, if we sign a top class centre half, it's Konsa he replaces. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 So is it not possible to feel that we can improve on Mings without it being racially motivated or having an agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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