PaulC Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Zatman said: You said losing 3 games in a row in this league sets you up terribly. A nuch better team than us lost 4 in a row last season and did OK in the end Depends what position you are in the table when you loose 3 in a row. we're ok. It wont be good but we are safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: My biggest concern is actually the Friday night pissed up atmosphere. It can give players a lot of energy. Alternatively if we get on top it could also turn toxic. I have never been to The Emirates but it doesn't seem to be able to get much of an atmosphere regardless of what is happening on the pitch. I think if it does get toxic that would be more directed towards Arteta and Edu rather than the Villa. Let's hope it is a good game and we come away with 3 well deserved points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 37 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: Let's hope it is a good game and we come away with 3 well deserved points. I hope we actually come away three very undeserved points, the AFTV meltdown will be all the more delicious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Having seen Arsenal vs. Palace this week, we really need to be going for it. They've got some talent in the side but no discernible leader on the pitch and a massive lack of pressing effort throughout the midfield and attack. It'll be very interesting to see what Dean goes with, but I'd definitely go attacking 4-3-3 and just hit them early and hard. They're fragile but could grow into a game if allowed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, It's Your Round said: I hope we actually come away three very undeserved points, the AFTV meltdown will be all the more delicious! So will the Smith thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Zatman said: So will the Smith thread Well at least if we win we will be allowed to discuss it, if we lose then that will clearly be an inappropriate topic for discussion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Not a whole heap of ready made available replacements out there so cannot see change for change sake luckily. I think results and how he incorporates Buendia and Bailey will be decisive in any decisions regarding smiths future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, thabucks said: I think results and how he incorporates Buendia and Bailey will be decisive in any decisions regarding smiths future. I would add how he gets Ings and Ollie to work together is going to be important too. I think getting the use of these 4 players is absolutely key to Dean's future. If he can get this right then he will be very safe and Villa will no doubt be successful. It does appear we have a lot of the pieces need for a very good team and it is looking very promising 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 'I think Arsenal will win, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's a unmistakably emphatic victory. The terrible outcome already feels palpable.' ~ This thread will be busy after tonight's game. Edited October 22, 2021 by useless I deleted the positive aspect of the post, but only because I thought It looks better with this many words. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 13 hours ago, QldVilla said: What it doesn't measure unfortunately is how each manager would go with each others squad and resources. Peps been at Barcelona, Bayern and City, he's never had to do it hard, and I don't believe the stats are reflective of his actual ability. Yes he is one of the best managers, but would he achieve similar if he had to build something with limited resources like nearly every other manager? Not every manager has the luxury of buying seven world class defenders until they get it right. Klopp, Rodgers both brought teams up from the second tier and even Mourinho slummed it at União de Leiria to prove his managerial ability. Win ratios can be misleading. Any stats can....but we all use them and the modern world craves them. In the main, we manage by measurement. I accept what you are saying and anomalies will always surface, but taking in all the factors, they are a pretty good yardstick. Pep, gets all the best jobs, with the best players, because he can.....His reputation precedes him, so why wouldn't he take the jobs with the best players. I am not peddling the theory that all stats are sacrosanct....but I do think they are a good indicator...and I'm sure interpretations will vary....but much more learned Data analysts than me , punching a few numbers, use them with impunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2021 Not read the thread so not sure how it has got on to debating the merits of Pep but can we keep it on Smith please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted October 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 hours ago, HeyAnty said: Anyway i think Deans days are numbered. Poor performance tonight I wouldn’t be at all surprised he gets let go. You sir, are a difficult man to surprise. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Out of interest, when was the last time we came back from a losing position to win a game? I don’t know why but my brain is telling me that it’s something we’ve always struggled with under Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: Out of interest, when was the last time we came back from a losing position to win a game? I don’t know why but my brain is telling me that it’s something we’ve always struggled with under Smith. At Spurs at the end of last season, also a few weeks before that at home to Fulham Edited October 22, 2021 by a-k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 20 hours ago, TRO said: you only have to look at Klopp now, like a dog with 2 wotsits. Ain't that the truth. No one was hardly talking about them pre - season. Talk about a reason for motivation. Total disrespect, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted October 22, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, TRO said: Any stats can....but we all use them and the modern world craves them. In the main, we manage by measurement. I accept what you are saying and anomalies will always surface, but taking in all the factors, they are a pretty good yardstick. Pep, gets all the best jobs, with the best players, because he can.....His reputation precedes him, so why wouldn't he take the jobs with the best players. I am not peddling the theory that all stats are sacrosanct....but I do think they are a good indicator...and I'm sure interpretations will vary....but much more learned Data analysts than me , punching a few numbers, use them with impunity. For me that’s the point though, you become a better coach by the challenges you take on. What would Smith’s win ratio be what would any managers win ratio be with similar resources? IMO the better coaches are the ones that sometimes take the harder road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Based on the stats, If McGinn scores tonight, Deano should just walk off down the tunnel. lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, QldVilla said: For me that’s the point though, you become a better coach by the challenges you take on. What would Smith’s win ratio be what would any managers win ratio be with similar resources? IMO the better coaches are the ones that sometimes take the harder road. I think if Smith had players like what City do then we'd be looking at a team challenging for a top spot and champions league football. I think handing everything like that to Smith on a playe straight away certainly wouldn't allow him to learn, simply he has to earn his way to that type of team. If the day comes that Smith gets his hands on a team with that much quality then I do hope it's with us as I think he would do well and by then he will of learned. I still say it now but give him time and I still think the best is yet to be seen and felt within the squad from Smith. I think he's still only finding his feet at the top level and once hes gotten himself through those tough challenges like you talk about he will surely shine. I know many would disagree but I think he will capture a trophy or title at Villa and if the Owners can support him all the way as they have been doing then that is fantastic. I also think as soon as Smith finds a winning formula and a system most struggle to deal with he will go onto win something. Once he does win something the real era of Smith will begin and for a while he will be the sought after English Coach not to mention a Coach who once he knows what winning is and what it took him to do it. I think for Smith it's getting that first win of some final and taking a trophy then he will go on and start repeating it many a time just like fergie did with utd. Remember Smith has had us in a final with City and if it weren't for bad timed injuries we may of been in Europe and then who knows. I personally think Smith has at times had alot of bad luck with squad injuries, especially when it's been apparent that we were doing well then all of a sudden they have hit and its killed the season. Alot of luck, some good planning and the right tools for the job and if things click right could see Smith and Co take home a trophy or title. Edited October 22, 2021 by Dave-R 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) See this is the issue a few of us have in this thread....we're playing like we've been on the sauce in Camden since midday. Why hasn't he tweaked anything? On evidence of first 20 minutes half time is going to be too late tonight. Edited October 22, 2021 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 We’ve regressed so much since last season. No real playing style still. Everything looks panicked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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