Indigo Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Let's get Crewe Alexandra's manager then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 02/09/2021 at 09:09, villalad21 said: What did he achieve at Brentford? 9th place finishes in the Championship? What is so remarkable about that? Thomas Frank has got them promoted. Who brought Thomas Frank to Brentford? Also, check out why Frank left his previous club to join Brentford. Quote Brondby coach Thomas Frank quits after chairman’s online forum criticism Guardian I wonder who that is on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Rightdm00 said: Who brought Thomas Frank to Brentford? Also, check out why Frank left His previous club to join Brentford. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/09/brondby-thomas-frank-chairman-online-forum?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other I wonder who that is on here Maybe he should switch job to scout then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Salad Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Let's get Crewe Alexandra's manager then We all know you don't like Dean at all. I've said myself that he is not perfect, no manager is or ever has been. But he has done some good things for this club and I have faith he will continue in that same vein. Simple as that for me. Edited September 2, 2021 by Big Salad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 hours ago, KentVillan said: Comparing £ spend in 2021 with £ spend in 1987 is a bit silly tbh, given football transfer fee inflation. The world record transfer in 1987 was Ruud Gullit - £6m! One of the greatest players of all time. Alex Ferguson immediately bought Brian McClair and Steve Bruce for over £1m each, which was big money back then, and certainly wasn't cash he had "generated himself". Many of his transfers (Keane, Cole, Yorke, Ferdinand) were massive money moves at the time. A common stick to beat Smith with is our supposedly huge transfer spend, but spread it across the squad, and it's only really this summer that we've started buying obviously top half PL talent like Ings and Bailey. Maybe Martinez last summer. Otherwise you can see from the profile of player we're bringing in - young, hungry, untested, often playing for Championship sides or relegation contenders - that Smith isn't in a position yet to throw big money at established talent. The idea that he's basically a chequebook manager is ludicrous. I think what we can all agree on is that better coaches exist in world football, but my big question for the Smith Out people, is who can we realistically bring in who would be guaranteed to be better than Smith? It's all well and good saying he's worse than Klopp and Guardiola, but who else is out there who will stick around, be good for the club, not turn it into a media circus, AND deliver results? Look at Everton. Their "World Class" manager stuck around for all of one season. Every year Smith gives us a new wrinkle. The set piece coach has already paid off massively. Until he shows me that he is out of ideas we have to ride with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 hours ago, thunderball said: Firmly in the Smith camp. Had a wobble in during the winter of 2020 when I though he was just not addressing the demands of the PL, but he put that right and his shortcomings are generally around the shortcomings in quality and depth of squad - we could only play one way, and the 1st 11 picked itself. He does demonstrate an intelligence and eagerness for his own personal development, I think he is a classic Manager rather than coach, I think he delegates well and is a progressive thinker. He isnt one to go stale - I can even see he has addressed a few things thhis season - subs being made earlier and perhaps more adventurous (helped by a broader squad). I also think Grealish leaving will perversely help the club too - we will become stronger and have more facets of attack, and players will emerge from themselves rather than live in his shadow. I think Grealish has made a bad move for himself also, yes he will get silverware but he looks to be playing in much narrower area of the field at the moment and he looks strangely shy in his challenge. Maybe he will grow into it, we all know his ability, but he could possibly be stifled by Pep, he was certainly indulged by Smith which he won't get at any other club. Another big thing I love about Deano is that he focuses on KPIs throughout his organization. You see it with player improvements (eg. Grealish talking about how he did a lot of work last summer studying positioning/decision making in the final 3rd to try to up his goal/assist count), you see it in the coaching team (hiring a specialist set piece coach and another first team coach with extensive background in possession football to focus on two huge statistical weaknesses of our style of play), you see it in the players we recruit, and you also see it throughout the youth team set up now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Indigo said: Reminder. So we're not even as good as Crewe bloody Alexandra?! SMITH OUT SACK TEH BORED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I think it is common knowledge that Dean is a good egg, a popular guy that everyone speaks well off.....not easy to achieve in such a callously jealous and cynical world. Dean has achieve a steady and believeble progress, promotion was his stand out achievement, but many will stay with steady incremental progress as the hallmark. Many things have changed under Deans stewardship, none more that the academy and the recruitment, which I would imagine he has had a huge influence on. Dean is well thought off, with his peers, never really heard an adverse word said about him...as I say, no mean feat in this world. so what is it with this near perfect guy/or manager. If Dean is to rub shoulders with the elite and demand the sort of wages his opposite numbers attract this is what he has to do.... Dean to be the unchallengable character, we all want him to be has to raise is numbers....40.77% win ratio will not suffice. I want Dean to go to meetings with a swagger and politely ( as he is polite) remind them of his worth,and persuade them to give him big money, but to do that, he has to increase that figure. Dean should be around 45% with us looking, for to close in on 50%, thats the challenge for a thoughly decent guy....He knows it too. go do it Dean. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted September 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2021 We're not going to improve on last season with how things are unfolding, fate has dealt us a poor hand. Smiths biggest asset is his continued drive to improve and I'm sure he will but he needs time to build stability and this is where we are at. We can't be in a situation where one player leaving leaves us seriously weakened and I don't think we will be...... again. We need time to grow and so does Smith. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 59 minutes ago, TRO said: Dean should be around 45% with us looking, for to close in on 50% In the league last season Dean got 42.1% if he had won 1 more game he would’ve been 44.7%. The whole season including cups he got 42.8% and if you take out the bizarre game in the cup with Liverpool where we had to play only kids his record last season was 44%. He’s in your ball park of 45%. Also win ratios should be reflective of your squad quality. 50% win ratios gets you basically Champions League football and we haven’t got that quality, we have got European place quality really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 TRUST THE PROCESS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Really feel Dean Smith is showing great work at VP. Occasional hiccups but on the whole 8/10. WB. On the whole surely we all are happy with the process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincenzo Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Think Grealish leaving has put us back 12/18 months in the clubs progress plan even with the players we’ve brought in The side was built predominantly around him and Buendia etc were bought in to complement and enhance the squad No doubt they are excellent players in their own right but Grealish leaving was not in Deano (and the clubs) plans Worth bearing in mind when we talk about the teams progress With Grealish, European qualification was a minimum expectation, without him it will be a lot harder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPDK Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Indigo said: Reminder. Okay, I'll take the bait. This was posted on August 12th, the day before the season started. So we were 2nd at the time for alphabetical reasons. This is a useless tweet. EDIT: I can't be bothered to check if he means by where we ended last season. Which would make more sense, but make the timing of this tweet horrible. Edited September 2, 2021 by NPDK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumerican Posted September 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2021 I wanted him at Villa when he was at Walsall let alone Brentford. Nothing has changed . 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kiwivillan Posted September 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, NPDK said: Okay, I'll take the bait. This was posted on August 12th, the day before the season started. So we were 2nd at the time for alphabetical reasons. This is a useless tweet. EDIT: I can't be bothered to check if he means by where we ended last season. Which would make more sense, but make the timing of this tweet horrible. Are you kidding? It was based on finishing 11th. Not alphabetical placings before a season start. FMD 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 3 hours ago, TRO said: I think it is common knowledge that Dean is a good egg, a popular guy that everyone speaks well off.....not easy to achieve in such a callously jealous and cynical world. Dean has achieve a steady and believeble progress, promotion was his stand out achievement, but many will stay with steady incremental progress as the hallmark. Many things have changed under Deans stewardship, none more that the academy and the recruitment, which I would imagine he has had a huge influence on. Dean is well thought off, with his peers, never really heard an adverse word said about him...as I say, no mean feat in this world. so what is it with this near perfect guy/or manager. If Dean is to rub shoulders with the elite and demand the sort of wages his opposite numbers attract this is what he has to do.... Dean to be the unchallengable character, we all want him to be has to raise is numbers....40.77% win ratio will not suffice. I want Dean to go to meetings with a swagger and politely ( as he is polite) remind them of his worth,and persuade them to give him big money, but to do that, he has to increase that figure. Dean should be around 45% with us looking, for to close in on 50%, thats the challenge for a thoughly decent guy....He knows it too. go do it Dean. Er even Ron Saunders only just got above 45% (45.6%) with Villa. If Deano gets a 50% win percentage I would be staggered. Graham Taylor first era was 45.77. Big Ron and John Gregory got 43% odd, with O'Neill at 42% and Little at 41.5%. I couldn't be bothered to look at the rest as I suspect they would be deeply mediocre. If Smith gets about a 42-43% win percentage that would be very good and we would be looking at being a top 6-8 side again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 14 hours ago, nick76 said: In the league last season Dean got 42.1% if he had won 1 more game he would’ve been 44.7%. The whole season including cups he got 42.8% and if you take out the bizarre game in the cup with Liverpool where we had to play only kids his record last season was 44%. He’s in your ball park of 45%. Also win ratios should be reflective of your squad quality. 50% win ratios gets you basically Champions League football and we haven’t got that quality, we have got European place quality really. Nick, you can't cherry pick, else the calculation has no value.....also other managers have anomalies too, so the comparions become fruitless. Biesla's win ratio is 52.1 % after 144 games at Leeds...... Thomas Frank is 48% after 150 games, (sure he has been in the championship much of the time) , but he also has a weaker squad (that goes with it), than ours....Nuno had a 47% ratio at Wolves after 199 games. If I was Deans adviser, I would be suggesting he gets his numbers up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Condimentalist Posted September 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, TRO said: Nick, you can't cherry pick, else the calculation has no value.....also other managers have anomalies too, so the comparions become fruitless. Biesla's win ratio is 52.1 % after 144 games at Leeds...... Thomas Frank is 48% after 150 games, (sure he has been in the championship much of the time) , but he also has a weaker squad (that goes with it), than ours....Nuno had a 47% ratio at Wolves after 199 games. If I was Deans adviser, I would be suggesting he gets his numbers up a bit. You'd advise him to win more games? How much do you charge for that? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, TRO said: Nick, you can't cherry pick, else the calculation has no value.....also other managers have anomalies too, so the comparions become fruitless. Biesla's win ratio is 52.1 % after 144 games at Leeds...... Thomas Frank is 48% after 150 games, (sure he has been in the championship much of the time) , but he also has a weaker squad (that goes with it), than ours....Nuno had a 47% ratio at Wolves after 199 games. If I was Deans adviser, I would be suggesting he gets his numbers up a bit. You’d be suggesting to Dean Smith that he should win more games? I really think you should make every effort to get that message to Dean…..I’m sure it would be a life changing moment for him. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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