DCJonah Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: I can't see us finishing higher than 11th Even 11th will be some task to achieve. Say we finish on 40 points this season and 15th. Would Smith still be in the job? If yes then the club should have been more honest with us before the season and said this was a transitional season. Not selling us false hopes with claims of Europe No one has sold you false hopes. If we finish with 40 pts, I'd imagine Smith would be in danger of being replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, cheltenham_villa said: Out of interest, why not 11th? Just because of Jack? Mainly, yes. But also because of a poor midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Mainly, yes. But also because of a poor midfield. Is our midfield not stronger than last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, DCJonah said: No one has sold you false hopes. If we finish with 40 pts, I'd imagine Smith would be in danger of being replaced. Smith literally said the aim was Europe in his pre season interview. Wouldn't have said that if they believed that was a totally unrealistic target. It's probable that's what he's been told is the target by the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Smith literally said the aim was Europe in his pre season interview. Wouldn't have said that if they believed that was a totally unrealistic target. It's probable that's what he's been told is the target by the owners. We keep going round in circles. Europe is the aim, not the minimum requirement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, DCJonah said: We keep going round in circles. Europe is the aim, not the minimum requirement. But if it is a completely unreslistic target why even say it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: But if it is a completely unreslistic target why even say it? Why is it completely unrealistic? Because you say so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 15 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Thinking about it, I would **** bite your arm off for 8th. I think people forget how tough a league this is. Hell, it was tough enough getting out of the Championship. To get promoted, stay up, finish 11th and then 8th is no easy feat. We also would have overtaken 5 or 6 teams who were established in this league long before we came back up in the process. We're not finishing anywhere near 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, DCJonah said: Why is it completely unrealistic? Because you say so? Eh. Because there is 10 better teams than us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: Eh. Because there is 10 better teams than us? Maybe. Guess we'll find out in 35 games time. This is your opinion, the club clearly don't agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rolta said: We're not finishing anywhere near 8th. How can you say that before you've watched one game with our strongest team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: But if it is a completely unreslistic target why even say it? Motivation, confidence, excitement, flirting with a potential transfer target... Host of reasons Him saying it doesn't mean that during his performance review meeting with purslow those 2 are saying it and using it as his measuring stick though Apply context at the end of the season or maybe even just wait until the end of the season and see what happens... This aim or target or expectation of Europe stuff is utterly futile 3 games in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 We need to re-establish ourselves solidly for a few seasons before we can try getting top 6. Before that getting into the Europa League or that conference thingy will help us get there But winning the league cup or F.A cup and finishing 11th is a barnstormer of a season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Thinking about it, I would **** bite your arm off for 8th. I think people forget how tough a league this is. Hell, it was tough enough getting out of the Championship. To get promoted, stay up, finish 11th and then 8th is no easy feat. We also would have overtaken 5 or 6 teams who were established in this league long before we came back up in the process. 8th would be an incredible season. Can't see it. Looking forward to watch us try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, DCJonah said: How can you say that before you've watched one game with our strongest team? I think our strongest team last season was much better than our strongest team this season. I rate Traore, so building up more right wingers doesn't seem like a massive improvement to me. Grealish is nigh on irreplaceable and Watkins is great up front, appreciating the improvement it is that we now also have Ings too. How we fit Ings and Watkins in a team may surprise me, but I said it earlier, I've only seen one unconvincing change of formation in pre season as evidence on that front so far. I don't feel we have a coherent plan. Buendia and Young playing in 2/3 different positions so far doesn't convince me otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 7 hours ago, villalad21 said: Didn't score as much when Grealish was out though did he? As mentioned he need service Are you ignoring the bit where we did actually spend £100m on 3 players to achieve exactly this? Whether it will work or not is still with the gods, but it definitely happened. I dunno, don't shoot the messenger but maybe we should wait and see how it transpires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, Rolta said: I think our strongest team last season was much better than our strongest team this season. I rate Traore, so building up more right wingers doesn't seem like a massive improvement to me. Grealish is nigh on irreplaceable and Watkins is great up front, appreciating the improvement it is that we now also have Ings too. How we fit Ings and Watkins in a team may surprise me, but I said it earlier, I've only seen one unconvincing change of formation in pre season as evidence on that front so far. I don't feel we have a coherent plan. Buendia and Young playing in 2/3 different positions so far doesn't convince me otherwise. Hey, you might be right. But surely the club deserve the chance to see if their plan post Grealish can work. I'm excited to see Watkins and Ings together. That's a partnership that can get us 30 goals. How many teams have that potential up top? Bailey gives us something we've never had, even if he isn't a Jack. I just don't see how you can write it off without seeing it play once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Hey, you might be right. But surely the club deserve the chance to see if their plan post Grealish can work. I'm excited to see Watkins and Ings together. That's a partnership that can get us 30 goals. How many teams have that potential up top? Bailey gives us something we've never had, even if he isn't a Jack. I just don't see how you can write it off without seeing it play once. Ings and Watkins in a 2 striker system would leave an already weak midfield even more vulnerable. Games are won and lost in midfield. I firmly believe that, and we don't have strong enough midfielders to get away with a 2 man midfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Hey, you might be right. But surely the club deserve the chance to see if their plan post Grealish can work. I'm excited to see Watkins and Ings together. That's a partnership that can get us 30 goals. How many teams have that potential up top? Bailey gives us something we've never had, even if he isn't a Jack. I just don't see how you can write it off without seeing it play once. Hopefully we can incorporate Ings and Watkins into a Liverpool style front three with one of the others. I'd like that. I just worry it won't happen. Anyway, we do all just have to wait and see. I think fears and optimism have been logged on here. We all just want the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 49 minutes ago, Rolta said: We're not finishing anywhere near 8th. Hence why I'd bite someone's proverbial arm off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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