Popular Post Mic09 Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 (edited) I can't believe the mental gymnastics we are doing to claim 'it wasn't a red'. It is the reddest of red cards. It's not accidental, he's not going for the ball, intent is to 'get into him'. It's not badly timed, it's perfectly timed to break up spurs attack. John did exactly what he wanted to do. And (other than the punishment) it was the right thing to do at the time. Break them up a little. It's just a shame other players didn't have the fire in their bellies. Edited March 12 by Mic09 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 12 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: That Robinson one was upgraded from yellow to red by VAR and that was for Liverpool who are supposed to get preferential treatment. Anyway all McGinn had to do was trip him up and pick up a yellow, he has to face the consequences of doing it the way he did. 100% - he cocked up and I can't really see any sort of argument against a red here. It won't be rescinded and it's a waste of time appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSw Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 minutes ago, Mic09 said: It's just a shame other players didn't have the fire in their bellies. True.. if everyone else did it, we'd have been down to 0 players and the game would have defaulted to a 3-0 Spurs win and our GD would be better 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Yeah I didn't see it as a red, but it's on a scale and then it's up to the ref, bad meatball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 55 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I can't believe the mental gymnastics we are doing to claim 'it wasn't a red'. It is the reddest or red cards. It's not accidental, he's not going for the ball, intent is to 'get into him'. It's not badly timed, it's perfectly timed to break up spurs attack. John did exactly what he wanted to do. And (other than the punishment) it was the right thing to do at the time. Break them up a little. It's just a shame other players didn't have the fire in their bellies. I said as much pages ago. Our setup had effectively sucked the life out of our team. John, as captain, took upon himself to reinject some fight into Villa. He was having a good go at it but messed up. It happens, people make mistakes. The way people dissect players actions on the pitch is laughable. This is a game played at speed, with no defined stoppages. Multiple decisions must be made every second by the player. John got this one wrong but his intent was to spark our play, so for me no harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Mic09 said: I can't believe the mental gymnastics we are doing to claim 'it wasn't a red'. It is the reddest or red cards. It's not accidental, he's not going for the ball, intent is to 'get into him'. It's not badly timed, it's perfectly timed to break up spurs attack. John did exactly what he wanted to do. And (other than the punishment) it was the right thing to do at the time. Break them up a little. It's just a shame other players didn't have the fire in their bellies. A textbook cynical yellow card offence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Nah, the leg kick is what does it for me. John typically goes for the shoulder or arse barge, which never gets a red. But the leg sweep is old fashioned. I like it but to argue it’s not a red is through c and b glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, PeterSw said: True.. if everyone else did it, we'd have been down to 0 players and the game would have defaulted to a 3-0 Spurs win and our GD would be better Superb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 19 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: A textbook cynical yellow card offence. Yellow card is to pull his shirt. We see a few of those every game. Red card is to do what John did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 12 hours ago, useless said: Clearly should be a yellow, clumsy but is going for the ball, that's where his determined face is focused and where his foot is aiming for, he's trying to put the ball out of play for a throw-in, to prevent an attack, even if he was purposely going for the man, which he was not, those tackles happen in every game, and the response is usually 'he took one for the team'. I can’t believe we’re trying to justify a yellow card for this. The tiniest little kick out as a bit of petulance is given as a red card - this is a footballer absolutely hoofing another one. That’s gif is in slow motion and SJM’s kick is still at a decent speed. If he just tripped Udogie then it’s a standard yellow, but that’s a horrific challenge and a deserved red. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted March 12 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 12 If Ben Mee had done that to Jacob Ramsey we'd have wanted him sent to prison. We've just got to suck this one up, sadly. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) As you can see from the gif, McGinn was going for the ball, and the biggest clue is that after he makes the tackle observe his eyeline, all he is focused on is the ball, if he was purposely trying to hurt the player, then after the tackle he would be looking at the player, but he wasn't, he didn't even have the player in his thoughts, if you use emotional intelligience you can see, h was going for the ball but made a bad job of it, so ended up accidently tripping up the unfortunate Spurs player Also just because Villa fans would have wanted a red card had it been done to one of our players, that doesn't prove that it should have been a red card, many Villa fans always crying wolf, when it comes to refereeing decision, to the point now where their protestations fall on death ears Edited March 12 by useless 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 He’s kicked the player up into the air. A shocker of a tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 18 minutes ago, useless said: As you can see from the gif, McGinn was going for the ball, and the biggest clue is that after he makes the tackle observe his eyeline, all he is focused on is the ball, if he was purposely trying to hurt the player, then after the tackle he would be looking at the player, but he wasn't, he didn't even have the player in his thoughts, if you use emotional intelligience you can see, h was going for the ball but made a bad job of it, so ended up accidently tripping up the unfortunate Spurs player Also just because Villa fans would have wanted a red card had it been done to one of our players, that doesn't prove that it should have been a red card, many Villa fans always crying wolf, when it comes to refereeing decision, to the point now where their protestations fall on death ears That's a funny way of saying kicking a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 17 minutes ago, useless said: As you can see from the gif, McGinn was going for the ball, and the biggest clue is that after he makes the tackle observe his eyeline, all he is focused on is the ball, if he was purposely trying to hurt the player, then after the tackle he would be looking at the player, but he wasn't, he didn't even have the player in his thoughts, if you use emotional intelligience you can see, h was going for the ball but made a bad job of it, so ended up accidently tripping up the unfortunate Spurs player Also just because Villa fans would have wanted a red card had it been done to one of our players, that doesn't prove that it should have been a red card, many Villa fans always crying wolf, when it comes to refereeing decision, to the point now where their protestations fall on death ears Lol. He'd just gone into a couple of challenges down by the corner flag before flying into this one. Even from the Holte End in real time it looked bad. There is no accidental trip, and if you see the front view he went in very aggressively which isn't a problem if you actually win the ball, but he didn't. He swept the kids nearside leg away and was nowhere near the ball. IMO he lost his head due to frustration in that moment. Unbelievable how people are trying to justify this. If had been one of our players there would have been absolute uproar in the ground and after. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 hours ago, useless said: As you can see from the gif, McGinn was going for the ball, and the biggest clue is that after he makes the tackle observe his eyeline, all he is focused on is the ball, if he was purposely trying to hurt the player, then after the tackle he would be looking at the player, but he wasn't, he didn't even have the player in his thoughts, if you use emotional intelligience you can see, h was going for the ball but made a bad job of it, so ended up accidently tripping up the unfortunate Spurs player Also just because Villa fans would have wanted a red card had it been done to one of our players, that doesn't prove that it should have been a red card, many Villa fans always crying wolf, when it comes to refereeing decision, to the point now where their protestations fall on death ears Absolutely f**king bonkers, sorry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I have no complaints on the McGinn Red Card. He went in strongly and at great speed and totally mis-timed it. If he hadn't applied such force to the tackle he probably would have been given a yellow card fo a cynical trip, as it was he cleaned Udogie out. He has let us down on this occasion as we are now down to bare bones in central midfield for the next three games, which is a large chunk of the remaining games this season. We have to hope that Tim or Tielemans can step up to fill the void, or that JJ is back and firing again asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, Mic09 said: I can't believe the mental gymnastics we are doing to claim 'it wasn't a red'. It is the reddest of red cards. It's not accidental, he's not going for the ball, intent is to 'get into him'. It's not badly timed, it's perfectly timed to break up spurs attack. John did exactly what he wanted to do. And (other than the punishment) it was the right thing to do at the time. Break them up a little. It's just a shame other players didn't have the fire in their bellies. Disagree, it’s pretty much the opposite of what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 hours ago, bobzy said: I can’t believe we’re trying to justify a yellow card for this. The tiniest little kick out as a bit of petulance is given as a red card - this is a footballer absolutely hoofing another one. That’s gif is in slow motion and SJM’s kick is still at a decent speed. If he just tripped Udogie then it’s a standard yellow, but that’s a horrific challenge and a deserved red. Yet if that’s a slide tackle it’s just a yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 29 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: Disagree, it’s pretty much the opposite of what you said. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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