Okonokos Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 hours ago, KentVillan said: In Sunday League, the ref is probably giving the player the benefit of the doubt that it’s late and clumsy. At this level, we all know McGinn timed that tackle exactly as intended, ie he never meant to play the ball. That changes the offence to violent conduct. If you’re making no effort at all to get the ball and you want to foul the player, you need to be pulling them down or doing a little trip, for a yellow. A proper kick like that is a red - it’s equivalent to just randomly doing that off the ball to someone. He might have got away with it on another day, or if he played for another club, but we can’t have any complaints. There was a similar(ish) incident in a Cardiff game a few seasons back, Joe Ralls got a straight red for bringing down Moura. “Tackle” was yellow card level of violence, no real injury risk to Moura, but as there was no attempt to play ball, it was a straight red. Warnock was incensed but ref got it right. This McGinn foul wasn’t quite as obvious as that, but I think if you watch it a few times you can see it’s clearly not a genuine attempt at a tackle and that’s what has got him in trouble, bc then it doesn’t need to be a flying lunge or studs up to be a red. Do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Okonokos said: Do we? Yes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, KentVillan said: Yes Speak for yourself maybe, but not for me. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 If you give the ref a reason to send you off then he probably will. McGinn handed him that reason It was a red It was stupid I only hope we can get results whilst he is out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 49 minutes ago, Okonokos said: Speak for yourself maybe, but not for me. You honestly think that was a mistimed tackle? Watch it again a few times, please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, KentVillan said: You honestly think that was a mistimed tackle? Watch it again a few times, please. I have done, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted March 11 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 11 6 minutes ago, Okonokos said: I have done, thanks. He tried to boot him into row Z 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Hopefully he can have some redemption and fire us in the quarter-finals on Thursday and keep UCL 5th place alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 It was a sending off. At first I thought it was just late but he deliberately swings at him makes no effort to play the ball. It's out of character for him but it cost us and will make the next few games even more challenging than they already were. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted March 11 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11 13 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He tried to boot him into row Z if ref gave a yellow, do you believe VAR intervenes to upgrade it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 11 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, tomav84 said: if ref gave a yellow, do you believe VAR intervenes to upgrade it? Probably not. I didn't think it was a red at the time. I'm still not sure it's a red But I think it's bizarre to claim it was a deliberate kick from McGinn. He's **** punted him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I was sat right behind it. He just kicked him because he got annoyed Diaby let him walk past him. I think he was trying to show some intensity and he went too far. Was it a red? Probably not. Will it be overturned? No way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 27 minutes ago, tomav84 said: if ref gave a yellow, do you believe VAR intervenes to upgrade it? Andy Robertson was upgraded to red by VAR for a similar incident (at 3 mins here). Key point is lack of attempt to play the ball, it lowers the bar for how dangerous the foul needs to be to be a red card. Edited March 11 by KentVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 hours ago, KentVillan said: Andy Robertson was upgraded to red by VAR for a similar incident (at 3 mins here). Key point is lack of attempt to play the ball, it lowers the bar for how dangerous the foul needs to be to be a red card. Fair comparison. I do question whether this is really applied commonly across the board though. The fact Harry Winks is in the thumbnail is perhaps indicative that it might not be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Wasn't even a foul. He never touched him. Infact it never even happened. It was AI. John wasn't even there, it's all a conspiracy. He was at Merry Hill getting a new pair of Lonsdale. They've all got it in for us. Big 6. I preferred this place when it was shit and people just talked about how shit we were. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, rodders0223 said: Wasn't even a foul. He never touched him. Infact it never even happened. It was AI. John wasn't even there, it's all a conspiracy. He was at Merry Hill getting a new pair of Lonsdale. They've all got it in for us. Big 6. I preferred this place when it was shit and people just talked about how shit we were. It's probably something to do with how we're always down the Match of the Day running order. I haven't worked out the connection yet, but there is one I'm sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MapleVilla Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Scottish Sunday league, probably barely a free kick. Premier league game, straight red. I have to say when I first saw the card I said it was no way a red card. But on the replay it's hard to argue anything other than a red. It's a shame because I felt just before that he was tackling and getting stuck in and getting the crowd going. We needed more of that tenacity from everyone. But once he made that specific tackle that killed any fightback we were possibly going to give. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSw Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Wonder if we'll appeal it on the off chance that all of the Sky 6 appointed appeals panel members will be off sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I think he will be fired up for Ajax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 16 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: I think he will be fired up for Ajax. Let's hope he's fired up in a productive way, not a destructive one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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