tom_avfc Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, dont_do_it_doug. said: Oh definitely not. I think we're actually agreeing? There is an opening for statisticians to change how they measure assists, or introduce an alternative which I guess they have in more advanced statistics packages not available to the public. Key passes is an odd one, almost too subjective. I guess that's all I'm getting at. Oh yeah I’m agreeing that the fact that Snodgrass gets “nothing” for his role in that goal is unfair. I wasn’t trying to suggest anything you said was wrong. It’s just that the assist ( and goals) system will always be misleading. If you want to give snodgrass the assist, do we then give Adomah the goal? But to me it just highlights why nobody should be judged on pure stats. That’s why scouts are paid to go and watch games and get a deeper understanding of how effective players are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2018 9 hours ago, srsmithusa said: Agnew strikes again ????? Possibly. I also think it has been no coincidence that he's performing much better with Elmo behind him and not Hutton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Snoddy is pure quality If we don't get up this season we'll lose him. I'd hate for that to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 was critical around Christmas but he has definitely upped his game since January 1st. Was a cracking pass for Adomah for Hogan goal though all involved should get a pat on the back for a fine goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Vote for Snoddy! https://www.footballfancast.com/pfa-awards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted February 5, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2018 48 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Vote for Snoddy! https://www.footballfancast.com/pfa-awards Done this earlier....deserves it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 2/3/2018 at 17:51, Adam2003 said: No-one would go to the opera and say “oh well I don’t think they used that soprano right” I've done exactly this . (My youngest is a soprano who sings in the occasional opera at the moment!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted February 5, 2018 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2018 I will be sad to see him go at the end of the season and his loan, if we don’t sign him. I know it’s this level but I think he’s a good enough player to do well in the PL. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: I will be sad to see him go at the end of the season and his loan, if we don’t sign him. I know it’s this level but I think he’s a good enough player to do well in the PL. I think he's one of 'those' players, like Dwight Gayle. Too good for the championship but not quite good enough for the PL, tis a conundrum both for the player and prospective clubs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I don't get this myth that he isn't good enough for the Premier League. All because of his West Ham stint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I don't get this myth that he isn't good enough for the Premier League. All because of his West Ham stint? My opinion is based off what I see, considering he's a wide midfielder he doesn't really have any pace, doesn't really have the trickery either. Sure, he buys himself a yard of space easily and often enough in the Championship but by definition alone those opportunities would be reduced when you go up a level. I'm not saying I wouldn't give him the opportunity next season, if he wants to stay here, but there's a decent enough reason he's playing for Villa in the Championship. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Ok. My opinion is based off what I see too, I see a player with transferable skills. To be honest, the defending in the top flight is barely better than the Championship right now too. I seem to remember him playing to a high standard for both Norwich and Hull at Premier League level. 19 goals in 84 starts. I don't recall him ever having pace. Food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 He was great for Hull in the Premier League before he went to West Ham and they played him out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 He would be a great addition to any bottom half premier league team. I hope we can get a deal done for him once promoted, but I have a feeling that West Ham won't let him go cheaply either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Considering I was too young to really appreciate the success of the teams of the early 80's I'm struggling to really think of many decent right wingers down our way in the last 30 odd years. Houghton the best I can remember. We had a couple of good years out of him. Solano was mint. Albeit a brief stay. Milner before he moved inside. After then all I can remember is the likes of Albrighton, Birch and Stone? Maybe I'm lacking in memory but I feel we quite often pushed more central players, people like Taylor or Boateng out there or had players we think of as strikers like Yorke or Atkinson at times basically filling in. Whereas down the left since the Morley days we've had the likes of Walters, Daley and Young covering about 20 years between them and Barry out there for a few years, even a bit of Ginola along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, VILLAMARV said: Considering I was too young to really appreciate the success of the teams of the early 80's I'm struggling to really think of many decent right wingers down our way in the last 30 odd years. Houghton the best I can remember. We had a couple of good years out of him. Solano was mint. Albeit a brief stay. Milner before he moved inside. After then all I can remember is the likes of Albrighton, Birch and Stone? Maybe I'm lacking in memory but I feel we quite often pushed more central players, people like Taylor or Boateng out there or had players we think of as strikers like Yorke or Atkinson at times basically filling in. Whereas down the left since the Morley days we've had the likes of Walters, Daley and Young covering about 20 years between them and Barry out there for a few years, even a bit of Ginola along the way. Didier Six Tony Morley Willie Anderson Harry Burrows John MacLeod Mick Ferguson I'll leave a few more for others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 On 2/4/2018 at 19:55, dont_do_it_doug. said: That pass to Adomah makes a mockery of the assist system, there needs to be some subjectivity to it. I'm giving it to him anyway and there's not a thing you can do to stop me I gave him MOTM largely for that pass alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Moyes wanted him back, if he wasnt premier league quality then he wouldn't have tried his hardest to get him back. i think we have option to sign him for 10.1m in summer. i think that is good fee if you think how much players are going for nowdays surely he will be in the Scotland squad with this form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted February 6, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted February 6, 2018 12 hours ago, TRO said: Didier Six Tony Morley Willie Anderson Harry Burrows John MacLeod Mick Ferguson I'll leave a few more for others Beckham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, Nigel said: Beckham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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