bannedfromHandV Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 hours ago, srsmithusa said: so if I understand you... You agree with me that he's not a world beater because no one is saying that... I assume that includes you. And you agree with me that this praises in some recent pages has been a bit of hyperbole. So. We agree. Not sure why I thought you were quarreling for a minute. If he was a 'world-beater' he wouldn't be anywhere near Villa. So what's the point in highlighting it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: If he was a 'world-beater' he wouldn't be anywhere near Villa. So what's the point in highlighting it? I thought I was clear I thought the praise that recently preceeded my post was over the top. It was a great goal. He is a capable but still limited player. I thought some balance in the discussion would be good. I hope he keeps putting 'em in and lives up to some pretty effusive posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, srsmithusa said: Just to throw a wrench. His goal was great. But he isn’t very speedy and he makes too many bad passes. He’s solid, I’m glad we have him. Wouldn’t play anyone else in our squad at right mid unless he’s hurt. But he’s not quite the world beater the last few pages make him out to be. ( or the bumbling oaf the previous 20 made him out to be) Just to wrench your wrench away from you. His goal wasn't "great", it was **** fantastic and it took us a massive step forward in promotion terms that until that moment had looked beyond the team. Given that, it is not correct to begin the next sentence "But"... Edited February 1, 2018 by briny_ear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASTY_LEE Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 It's a classic example of the know it all fans in modern football. If a player doesn't score a hat trick in the first three games they're shit. We had it with Petrov, who incidentally is a hero now, and we'll have it again. Some people need to realise FM18 is not the same as real life. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 15 hours ago, NASTY_LEE said: Some people need to realise FM18 is not the same as real life. Although, his acceleration underpins his overall pace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) People say he makes bad passes—he seems to me to be one of the few who actually try ambitious passes. When they come off we get goals or chances, but they're not going to work all the time. Losing the ball is part of the game surely—I watch Atletico Madrid a lot and they seem to lose the ball all the time. But they are usually solid and can get the ball back—but they're often looking for a killer pass. Edited February 2, 2018 by praisedmambo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted February 3, 2018 Author VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2018 Not great quality vid, but fun to watch again and hear the crowd! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 01/02/2018 at 20:06, NASTY_LEE said: It's a classic example of the know it all fans in modern football. If a player doesn't score a hat trick in the first three games they're shit. We had it with Petrov, who incidentally is a hero now, and we'll have it again. Some people need to realise FM18 is not the same as real life. Is it not? Oh, the developers owe a hell of a lot of compensation then to folk that have purchased it in years gone by then if it is not like the real thing. I have read often that many football clubs in the world actually use the software funny enough. Does that mean that Gran Turismo is **** all like a driving a car either then? The ridiculous posts constantly refering to the modern game as not being FM or FIFA are just irrelevant and pathetic really. EA Co. need sued if this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 He is an intelligent player. He knows he hasn't got pace so he draws in defenders tight to him. More often than not he can then skip past them or he gets fouled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 He's been vital this season. Someone who has a decent record of goal contribution in the Premier League too. I think he averages 6 per season. As an average that's pretty good, and I'd point directly to that stat for anyone saying he's championship quality at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 02/02/2018 at 12:32, praisedmambo said: People say he makes bad passes—he seems to me to be one of the few who actually try ambitious passes. When they come off we get goals or chances, but they're not going to work all the time. Like that. What a pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 So he’s gone from “crap” to “vital”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adam2003 Posted February 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Tommo_b said: So he’s gone from “crap” to “vital”? I want to say I’d honestly question the judgment of anyone who really thought he was crap. He’s always been a good player, since way before he was with us and I’m amazed people didn’t see that. BUT I know I’m just as guilty of it with another player(s) - we just write people off (or build them up) way too soon with little understanding of what goes into making them perform or not. I don’t think I can do that with a professional accountant or a car salesman, despite knowing the basics of what they do, but I think I can do it with everyone in football. I’ve never spent, say, a week at a training ground in my life but because I’ve watched a load of games and played to an OK level I (we) think I (we) know what goes into doing a good job or having the potential to do it. Managers, players, CEO, etc. It’s the modern game. No-one would go to the opera and say “oh well I don’t think they used that soprano right” or watch firemen put out a fire and think “he could have been faster connecting that hose”... But football would be boring if we didn’t all think we were the expert! And even the real experts get it completely wrong. So I try just to enjoy it when it’s going well and not worry too much when it’s not. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted February 3, 2018 Share Posted February 3, 2018 On 2/1/2018 at 12:30, briny_ear said: Just to wrench your wrench away from you. His goal wasn't "great", it was **** fantastic and it took us a massive step forward in promotion terms that until that moment had looked beyond the team. Given that, it is not correct to begin the next sentence "But"... grammar? you are truly reaching in your efforts to be critical. Don't hurt yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 19 hours ago, Tommo_b said: So he’s gone from “crap” to “vital”? He has upped his game, there was a period where he wasn't delivering enough, now he is consistently performing for us and doing what we all knew he could do. I always felt we signed the best right winger in the league when we first brought him on loan however it's not really until the start of this year where he has shown this on a regular basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: He has upped his game, there was a period where he wasn't delivering enough, now he is consistently performing for us and doing what we all knew he could do. I always felt we signed the best right winger in the league when we first brought him on loan however it's not really until the start of this year where he has shown this on a regular basis. Agnew strikes again ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted February 4, 2018 Author VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2018 Weren’t we linked to sign him permanently when Lambert was here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Not a Premier League player That pass to Adomah makes a mockery of the assist system, there needs to be some subjectivity to it. I'm giving it to him anyway and there's not a thing you can do to stop me, which puts him on 6 goals and 10 assists for the season. 4 goals and 4 assists in his last 6 games. I know yesterday's game won't count but it may sway voters - surely player of the month for January? He has been even more influential than Grealish which is saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Not a Premier League player That pass to Adomah makes a mockery of the assist system, there needs to be some subjectivity to it. I'm giving it to him anyway and there's not a thing you can do to stop me, which puts him on 6 goals and 10 assists for the season. 4 goals and 4 assists in his last 6 games. I know yesterday's game won't count but it may sway voters - surely player of the month for January? He has been even more influential than Grealish which is saying something. I don’t think it makes a mockery of the assist system - it’s just another case showing that stats don’t tell the whole story. I’d like to think that by now people aren’t basing opinions on simple measures such as goals and assists. Hogan gets the goal for tapping the ball into an open goal which also sums up how much simple stats tell us. Other than that though I agree completely with what you’re saying. Snodgrass has been outstanding recently. I think he’s been able to get back to full fitness and we’re now seeing the player that Bruce wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, tom_avfc said: I don’t think it makes a mockery of the assist system - it’s just another case showing that stats don’t tell the whole story. I’d like to think that by now people aren’t basing opinions on simple measures such as goals and assists. Hogan gets the goal for tapping the ball into an open goal which also sums up how much simple stats tell us. Other than that though I agree completely with what you’re saying. Snodgrass has been outstanding recently. I think he’s been able to get back to full fitness and we’re now seeing the player that Bruce wanted. Oh definitely not. I think we're actually agreeing? There is an opening for statisticians to change how they measure assists, or introduce an alternative which I guess they have in more advanced statistics packages not available to the public. Key passes is an odd one, almost too subjective. I guess that's all I'm getting at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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