villalad21 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Actually content with him. He is solid, not great going forward, but. We could have worse, much much worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 hours ago, villalad21 said: Actually content with him. He is solid, not great going forward, but. We could have worse, much much worse. It's credit to him that he's kept his place.Ā Why certain individuals would begrudge him that is perplexing. Sadly, no matter how well he plays, he will never endear himself to the masses.Ā There is always that one player. Never quite understood it myself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 7 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: It's credit to him that he's kept his place.Ā Why certain individuals would begrudge him that is perplexing. Sadly, no matter how well he plays, he will never endear himself to the masses.Ā There is always that one player. Never quite understood it myself. I don't really understand this. Nobody personally begrudges him, as a result of not liking him. People simply feel we need a better left back, which is hardly an outrageous opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 12 hours ago, villalad21 said: Actually content with him. He is solid, not great going forward, but. We could have worse, much much worse. I think he's woeful and it's a bit of a myth that he's good defensively in my opinion.Ā Targett will replace him soonĀ though so hopefully we wont see much more of him.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Compared to what Taylor was like 12 months ago when he seemed to have given up any pretense of being a capable player, he has been like a new signing. Of course I would want better, but my concern now isn't so much that Taylor is poor but that Targett might not be much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 20, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I don't really understand this. Nobody personally begrudges him, as a result of not liking him. People simply feel we need a better left back, which is hardly an outrageous opinion. he is absolutely slated on here and social media. i agree with the post that there is literally nothing he could do now to endear himself to some fans...some players just put in too many poor performances that there's no going back. there is no question that we need a left sided Guilbert. someone who can attack with pace, but decent defensively too. we unfortunately do not have that though. if taylor had put in a 45 minutes that targett did vs crewe VT would have had a meltdown. we are going to be under the cosh this season. el ghazi proved his defensive weaknesses vs west ham, and i dont see trez much better. playing either of those with targett would be Christmas coming early to opposition right wingers. keep taylor till jan, and somehow convince the board to sanction another LB signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I think Neil Taylor vs Pepe could be...interesting. Trouble is not sure Targett will fair any better, at least he'll have some legs to stand a chance of catching up with him.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Taylor has been decent defensively so far, the only issue is he now doesn't even try and cross into the box or do anything even when he has got into the final third in space. we lose a lot of momentum down the left as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Anyone content with what he brings to the team overall is failing to see the bigger picture. SomeĀ are just purposefully trying to be argumentative.Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Anyone content with what he brings to the team overall is failing to see the bigger picture. SomeĀ are just purposefully trying to be argumentative.Ā Yeah agree, it's the bigger picture with Taylor for me, he's an ok/averageĀ defender - for a championship club,Ā but he hinders the team overall really badly imo. Edited September 20, 2019 by MaVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Anyone content with what he brings to the team overall is failing to see the bigger picture. SomeĀ are just purposefully trying to be argumentative.Ā No we are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 20, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Anyone content with what he brings to the team overall is failing to see the bigger picture. SomeĀ are just purposefully trying to be argumentative.Ā i dont think that many are content with what he brings attacking wise. because how could you be? the defenses of him are around him being part of a solid back 4, where he's held his own and hasn't really put a foot wrong. coupled with all we have to judge targett on is an abysmal 45 mins vs a league 2 side before he got injured. well, he's fit now, so i imagine the argument will be put to bed over the coming weeks one way or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, tomav84 said: i dont think that many are content with what he brings attacking wise. because how could you be? the defenses of him are around him being part of a solid back 4, where he's held his own and hasn't really put a foot wrong. coupled with all we have to judge targett on is an abysmal 45 mins vs a league 2 side before he got injured. well, he's fit now, so i imagine the argument will be put to bed over the coming weeks one way or another Targett didn't have an abysmal 45 minutes versus Crewe at all, can't understand that....did you watch the game?? Granted he didn't blow Crewe away,Ā butĀ he played perfectly fine and passed the ball in 45 minutes better than Taylor has done in his entire life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted September 20, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MaVilla said: Targett didn't have an abysmal 45 minutes versus Crewe at all, can't understand that....did you watch the game?? Granted he didn't blow Crewe away,Ā butĀ he played perfectly fine and passed the ball in 45 minutes better than Taylor has done in his entire life. yes i did...saw him taken to the cleaners by their winger on more than one occasion and did nothing going forward as i said...the argument will be put to bed one way or another soon. i really cannot be bothered to keep having it. for our sake i desperately hope i'm wrong about targett because we need another option on the left Edited September 20, 2019 by tomav84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 The manager seems content with him, singing the defenses praises in his press conference. Would be very surprised if Taylor loses his place anytime soon, he's done nothing to deserveĀ being dropped.Ā Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, zab6359 said: The manager seems content with him, singing the defenses praises in his press conference. Would be very surprised if Taylor loses his place anytime soon, he's done nothing to deserveĀ being dropped.Ā Ā Except consistently ruining everything going forward down the left hand side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Except consistently ruining everything going forward down the left hand side. So the answer is to replace him with someone who struggles to defend but is better going forward? I haven't seem Taylor make a mistake that has led to a goal scored against us yet, I've seen mistakes by Mings, Jack and Luiz that have led to goals being conceded but Taylor is the bad guy in all this........unbelievableĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, zab6359 said: So the answer is to replace him with someone who struggles to defend but is better going forward? I haven't seem Taylor make a mistake that has led to a goal scored against us yet, I've seen mistakes by Mings, Jack and Luiz that have led to goals being conceded but Taylor is the bad guy in all this........unbelievableĀ Targett can defend though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Targett can defend though. Just not as well as Taylor though apparently. It may turn out we had oursĀ pants pulled down when buying Targett.Ā I hope not I hope he's a left sided Guilbert we'll seeĀ ,what was it on twitter the Southampton fan wrote attacks like a man defends like an 8yr old boy. I have faith in our manager though if he feels Targett can do a better job than Taylor he will play him he's match fit and available for selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Targett can defend though. My Southampton supporting mates disagree. This is from discussions before the summer as well so I can't even accuse them of sour grapes. They do believe that he has the potential to hugely improve though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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