blandy Posted October 12, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2016 "Mediocre Championship level team appoints Championship standard manager" It's what mostly happens. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, Woodytom said: The reason why he has a good championship record (and I'm genuinely not taking away hid achievements at this level) Is because he has spent half his flipping career in the championship. Half his career? That's a stretch. And pretty much every season he spent with sides in the Championship, he was a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Woodytom said: The reason why he has a good championship record (and I'm genuinely not taking away hid achievements at this level) Is because he has spent half his flipping career in the championship. Neil warnock has a good championship record. So does mick Mccarthy. Rdm did until he joined us. Doesn't hide the fact that overall, they are piss poor managers. Remind me again what league we are in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Woodytom said: Have I mentioned how boring he is? You've shown a clear inability to see the situation from the owners eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, blandy said: "Mediocre Championship level team appoints Championship standard manager" It's what mostly happens. Doesn't fit with the stated aspirations though does it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I hope the due diligence has been thorough and there are no skeletons waiting to come out of the closet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 20 minutes ago, Chindie said: I'm not happy at being in the position to consider Bruce a good choice for manager. I'd hoped Bruce was never a name seen a reasonable choice for the Villa dugout. But right now, he's probably the best. Bruce isn't a great manager. But at Championship level he's got a record that isn't bettered by many, and he's done that with very unfashionable clubs generally. He hasn't taken over a Newcastle post relegation and romped home as expected. He's got Blues and Hull up, and he's bounced back from struggling seasons to get them back. At Prem level he's not as good, but he's still had successes with weaker sides for a while. Not that that matters to us at the moment. And he's seasoned as a manager. He's managed for over a decade and he's been there and seen that. He's not learning the ropes, he's dealt with players he's learnt to handle drama. We're not employing a rookie, like we did with Tim and arguably RDM and Garde. We need someone who can come in and start another day at the office. Someone who has dealt with a dressing room, got results, knows the game he wants to play. Bruce is that man. That's not to say he's perfect. I don't think he's the best in the transfer market, I don't think he's the most exciting manager, I dont think he's particularly flexible or clever, I don't think he's going to out think a smarter manager, etc etc. And that's also not to say that it wasn't possible for us to bring in a less proven name and have then achieve great things. But we don't need to gamble. We need the best shot at getting out of this hole as soon as possible, and we also clearly still have problems as a club that are quite fundamental. It's not a surprise that human nature favours an option that has succeeded before over options that might succeed but have no history of it. It doesn't excite me and I'm pissed off we're in the position that Bruce is the right man, even near a coup, but that's where we are. I hope he shows his worth. That pretty sums up where I am at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I really don't care too much anymore who's at the helm. I just want to see us win again, and if a boring yet proven championship level manager is able to provide that, then I'm all for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 minute ago, Richard said: Doesn't fit with the stated aspirations though does it? What would you have done Richard if you were the owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 12, 2016 Moderator Share Posted October 12, 2016 21 minutes ago, Chindie said: I'm not happy at being in the position to consider Bruce a good choice for manager. I'd hoped Bruce was never a name seen a reasonable choice for the Villa dugout. But right now, he's probably the best. Bruce isn't a great manager. But at Championship level he's got a record that isn't bettered by many, and he's done that with very unfashionable clubs generally. He hasn't taken over a Newcastle post relegation and romped home as expected. He's got Blues and Hull up, and he's bounced back from struggling seasons to get them back. At Prem level he's not as good, but he's still had successes with weaker sides for a while. Not that that matters to us at the moment. And he's seasoned as a manager. He's managed for over a decade and he's been there and seen that. He's not learning the ropes, he's dealt with players he's learnt to handle drama. We're not employing a rookie, like we did with Tim and arguably RDM and Garde. We need someone who can come in and start another day at the office. Someone who has dealt with a dressing room, got results, knows the game he wants to play. Bruce is that man. That's not to say he's perfect. I don't think he's the best in the transfer market, I don't think he's the most exciting manager, I dont think he's particularly flexible or clever, I don't think he's going to out think a smarter manager, etc etc. And that's also not to say that it wasn't possible for us to bring in a less proven name and have then achieve great things. But we don't need to gamble. We need the best shot at getting out of this hole as soon as possible, and we also clearly still have problems as a club that are quite fundamental. It's not a surprise that human nature favours an option that has succeeded before over options that might succeed but have no history of it. It doesn't excite me and I'm pissed off we're in the position that Bruce is the right man, even near a coup, but that's where we are. I hope he shows his worth. Mods! Close the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted October 12, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2016 7 minutes ago, Woodytom said: Because it's a piss poor level. It's frankly embarrassing that we are 19th in the championship and to some extent pleased with the appointment of Steve Bruce. Embarrassing and boring. Have I mentioned how boring he is? Honestly Woody. If you're that bored of us and this negative about the new bloke before he's even started, then why don't you just stop? I'm bored of reading it every day and I'm sure many others on the site are too. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 21 minutes ago, Chindie said: I'm not happy at being in the position to consider Bruce a good choice for manager. I'd hoped Bruce was never a name seen a reasonable choice for the Villa dugout. But right now, he's probably the best. Bruce isn't a great manager. But at Championship level he's got a record that isn't bettered by many, and he's done that with very unfashionable clubs generally. He hasn't taken over a Newcastle post relegation and romped home as expected. He's got Blues and Hull up, and he's bounced back from struggling seasons to get them back. At Prem level he's not as good, but he's still had successes with weaker sides for a while. Not that that matters to us at the moment. And he's seasoned as a manager. He's managed for over a decade and he's been there and seen that. He's not learning the ropes, he's dealt with players he's learnt to handle drama. We're not employing a rookie, like we did with Tim and arguably RDM and Garde. We need someone who can come in and start another day at the office. Someone who has dealt with a dressing room, got results, knows the game he wants to play. Bruce is that man. That's not to say he's perfect. I don't think he's the best in the transfer market, I don't think he's the most exciting manager, I dont think he's particularly flexible or clever, I don't think he's going to out think a smarter manager, etc etc. And that's also not to say that it wasn't possible for us to bring in a less proven name and have then achieve great things. But we don't need to gamble. We need the best shot at getting out of this hole as soon as possible, and we also clearly still have problems as a club that are quite fundamental. It's not a surprise that human nature favours an option that has succeeded before over options that might succeed but have no history of it. It doesn't excite me and I'm pissed off we're in the position that Bruce is the right man, even near a coup, but that's where we are. I hope he shows his worth. Sorry, not good enough. I'm really struggling to link anything you've said to industrial scale masturbation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIVillan Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Ron Saunders wasnt considered exciting and had failed at Norwich and Man City the two season previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 WOW... 10am Derby announce talks of McLaren being potentially new manager. 14:30.. McLaren deal all but done! What is our hold up? It is too quiet for my liking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted October 12, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2016 I don't think the aspirations are at odds with the immediate situation (notwithstanding that the aspirations are absurd). Right now we can want to be top 5 in the world all we want. There's a lot of shit to shovel first. Hiring Steve Bruce to drag a club through the Championship is so far removed from being a global force in the game that they aren't really an influence on each other, but represent steps on the same ladder. We haven't hired Steve Bruce to make us the new Manchester United. We've hired Steve Bruce to make sure, as far as possible, we can take the steps to make sure we can have a crack at being the new Manchester United. I don't think anyone at the club, Bruce included, is under any illusions otherwise. Bruce gets us up, hopefully. I daresay not this year. Maybe he gets a crack at stabilising us as a Prem side. But he's not going to be expected to chase titles seriously. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Just now, AvfcRigo82 said: WOW... 10am Derby announce talks of McLaren being potentially new manager. 14:30.. McLaren deal all but done! What is our hold up? It is too quiet for my liking! Not sure Schteeve had many offers to consider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, Woodytom said: Because it's a piss poor level. It's frankly embarrassing that we are 19th in the championship and to some extent pleased with the appointment of Steve Bruce. Embarrassing and boring. Have I mentioned how boring he is? So no actual reason for Bruce being poor, just that it's the Championship - figured. David Wagner is a piss poor manager. Sean Dyche is a piss poor manager. Gary Rowett is a piss poor manager. Ross McCormack is a piss poor footballer. Dwight Gayle is a piss poor footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I agree thread should be locked until we do actually announce Bruce as manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: I agree thread should be locked until we do actually announce Bruce as manager! Who are you agreeing with? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 16 minutes ago, Richard said: Doesn't fit with the stated aspirations though does it? It really does. It's been made quite clear that Dr Tony wants us back in the prem in 2 years. Bruce fits that aim perfectly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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