TheMelvillan Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Its all just an elaborate gamble for clubs buying young players tbh. Sometimes it works out - Gareth Bale for example was bought as a somewhat promising left back but I very much doubt anyone thought he would become the wolds most expensive forward within the next 5 or so years. Spurs have dined out on that sale ever since and the gamble has paid off. I'm sure the number of failed gambles far outweigh the successful ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, cyrusr said: I am not sure that it as bad a transfer as everyone is making out. Yes we paid £5 million for him, however it was mainly on potential. Potential is always a gamble. How many bigger signings have we made "on potential" that have failed miserably? Look at other clubs, there are plenty of examples where money has been wholly wasted. In the big picture, it is not that significant a loss. Perhaps we paid a little much, but on what transfer last summer didn't we do that?! It didn't work last season. Not too sure how well he did at Forest (I'll assume not great) but he now has a season on loan at a club where he is likely to get regular football. We are over populated in midfield no question of it, and anyone outside of Hourihane, Lansbury, Whelan, Bjarnasson and Jedinak is likely to be considered to leave this summer. To me, its a win win. If he makes the grade, great, we have a player who has increased in value or perhaps even better developed into someone we can use. If not, well we are not wasting squad space/money on wages. Would rather youngsters go out on loan and develop rather than potentially get 1 or 2 games a year. Hope he gets lots of game time and does well for them We aren't Chelsea, and we are not and definitely were not in the position to pay £5m on someone with a bit of potential. I presumed we were signing someone who could get a good 30+ games under his belt in the Championship and hopefully kick on if we got promoted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 21 hours ago, Stevo985 said: In a midfield that contained Gardner, Westwood and Bacuna he looked comfortably the best player but that's not difficult and was shipped out. fixed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashingqwerty Posted July 28, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2017 He got taken off inside 20 mins for mk dons tonight. Anyone know if it was an injury or if he was just that crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 On 7/27/2017 at 21:27, Stevo985 said: He's wank. In a midfield that contained Gardner, Westwood and Bacuna he looked comfortably the worst player and was shipped out. Nothing to do with the manager. The manager who signed him couldn't get anything out of him either. He hardly played any games under either. One game I did see v Huddersfield I think he was pretty decent with potential to improve but then he got injured and wasn't see again under RDM. Hardly ever figured under SB who just didn't take to him. Not sure how he could look comfortably the worst player when he really played very few games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Going by reports was very impressive tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted July 29, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2017 6 hours ago, Johnnyp said: Going by reports was very impressive tonight. Sign him up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killeen30 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Johnnyp said: Going by reports was very impressive tonight. Maybe we could try a cheeky loan move? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 29, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 29, 2017 He is done at Villa, certainly under the current management so a loan out is best for all parties if a perm move isn't available. The loan at Forest didn't go great so hardly surprising it's another loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted July 29, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) It's a shame as he seemed to have a talent, but his performances were so erratic. I wish him all the best, and I wouldn't be surprised if in 2-3 years he's a DM for a half decent championship side. He's just it what we need right now, and we've got to get out of this league. Edit - thinking about stuff like this (Tshibola) makes me so frustrated that we wasted last summers transfer window with RDM... he is not a manager, he's a chancer that got lucky. Edited July 29, 2017 by alreadyexists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 29, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2017 13 hours ago, VillaChris said: He hardly played any games under either. One game I did see v Huddersfield I think he was pretty decent with potential to improve but then he got injured and wasn't see again under RDM. Hardly ever figured under SB who just didn't take to him. Not sure how he could look comfortably the worst player when he really played very few games. In the games he played he was crap. That's how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Looks like God has answered his prayers then!.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Don't get the negativity. The loan move was the best for all involved. If he stayed here, he wouldn't play and we definitely wouldn't of reclaimed anything close to the 5 million we got for him. He's gone to mk dons, he'll play every week. Different loan to the forest one really as Warburton didn't bring him in so had different ideas. If he has a good season, which i think he will, he'll be better equipped if/when he comes back here or we'll get a decent fee if we sell. End of the day, he's not rotting away, he's playing football. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I think he had only played a dozen or so senior games for Reading before he came to us so it was a lot of money to play for potential. He could be a good player with some senior experience, so this is a great move for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 40 minutes ago, Ponky said: I think he had only played a dozen or so senior games for Reading before he came to us so it was a lot of money to play for potential. He could be a good player with some senior experience, so this is a great move for him. Agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Great to see tshibola get the assist in the only goal of the game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2017 Here's his assist... it's a belter of a ball! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2017 Happy for him. Hopefully someone will buy him from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 great ball, still a young lad and maybe a full season in League 1 is best for his development. I am sure he had only played about 20 games before he joined us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 21, 2017 On 20/08/2017 at 08:40, alreadyexists said: Here's his assist... it's a belter of a ball! To be fair it's helped massively by a league 1 defender standing looking at him making no attempt to close him down or make a tackle. I am sure most half decent midfielders would flourish in league 1. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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