villakram Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Ohio, Florida and Texas all firmly R now. The Georgia run-off is going to be an expensive shitshow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, villakram said: Ohio, Florida and Texas all firmly R now. The Georgia run-off is going to be an expensive shitshow. Not a great night for your boys. Do you think they will try and dump Trump now or double down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Not a great night for your boys. Do you think they will try and dump Trump now or double down? It’s not been a good three election cycles for those guys under Trumps umbrella what with 2018, 2020 and now 2022. It won’t be the end for Trump but it seems they are realising he’s not the best thing for them as each cycle happens… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 an ungrateful nation that needed the French to bail them out , they deserve a second Trump term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Comments on this should be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Not a great night for your boys. Do you think they will try and dump Trump now or double down? My boys... hardly, but ok. It's more likely that this is some form of return to political politics is local normality. The Obama and Trump midterms were outliers only matched by Newt in 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 5 hours ago, villa89 said: Sleepy Joe is president and his direct rival was 79 year old Bernie Sanders. it is crazy that the two major presidential candidates in the last cycle were old men in their late seventies, I agree. And throw in Bernie as Biden's biggest competitor. 3 men in their 70s. Terrible 5 hours ago, sidcow said: I should probably sit in one of your lessons because I do not understand this whole 2 house thing and especially that the sitting elected President can't get any laws passed unless he controls both of them...... Which he probably won't. Seems insane to me. There is a long explanation behind that whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 A dream scenario for the Democrats is DeSantis getting the Republican Presidential nomination and Trump standing as a independent to split the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted November 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: A dream scenario for the Democrats is DeSantis getting the Republican Presidential nomination and Trump standing as a independent to split the vote. It's why they will put Trump forward. He has the Republicans by the balls. 'Back me for Pres, or I'll run as an independent and wreck your party.' They know what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, HKP90 said: It's why they will put Trump forward. He has the Republicans by the balls. 'Back me for Pres, or I'll run as an independent and wreck your party.' They know what will happen. They also face back him and he’ll wreck the party. In two years time he’ll be facing that many legal actions from multiple directions, he may even be convicted of some of them, that he will be an absolute liability. IIRC a president isn’t immune from prosecution if the proceedings began before he took office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, bickster said: They also face back him and he’ll wreck the party. In two years time he’ll be facing that many legal actions from multiple directions, he may even be convicted of some of them, that he will be an absolute liability. IIRC a president isn’t immune from prosecution if the proceedings began before he took office. Also I watched one of the media sections months ago that said there is nothing in the laws that means you can’t be President and also be in jail at the same time. Never going to happen but if there is one first world country it could happen in, it would be America that the political leader is also in jail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: A dream scenario for the Democrats is DeSantis getting the Republican Presidential nomination and Trump standing as a independent to split the vote. It's already turning nasty. Trump insulted him not long back and today on his social media platform mentioned how he got more votes in florida back in 2020. Surely if Trump runs again, Americans aren't stupid enough to make that mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post El Zen Posted November 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, sidcow said: I should probably sit in one of your lessons because I do not understand this whole 2 house thing and especially that the sitting elected President can't get any laws passed unless he controls both of them...... Which he probably won't. Seems insane to me. It’s inertia by design, really. The Founding Fathers were deeply skeptical of mob rule and tyranny, and painfully fixated on balance of power. It’s designed to promote consensus and deliberation. Bicambrial systems are fairly common in federated political systems, as an upper house with even representation from all states is a safeguard against bigger states dominating smaller states. Remember, some states joined the Union almost reluctantly, wary as they were of conceding sovereignty to a federal government. Federalism was, after all, the major dividing line in pre-partisan US politics. The Founding Fathers did not, and perhaps could not, foresee instiutionalised and entrenched partisanship. Such a concept would have been both alien to them, and completely at odds with their deliberative ideals. Polarised partisanship in a system designed for inertia, inevitably leads to deadlock. Incidentally, the rich and powerful of today will only be too happy about this, as the status quo serves them rather well. Meanwhile, American patriotism created a cult-like adherence to The Founding Fathers and The Constitution, making it politically difficult to promote constitutional change and evolution. Advocating wholescale, and much needed, constitutional reform will by many be received as outright un-American. The Founding Fathers were perfect, their words shall not be questioned. Now swear allegiance to the flag and say God bless mmmurica. Constitutional fundamentalism in the US is arguably even stronger than biblical fundamentalism. It’s archaic, it’s dumb and it’s not gonna change any time soon. Edited November 9, 2022 by El Zen 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2022 You also have to bear in mind that US politics is openly riddled with anti-democratic spoilers. Gerrymandering is taken to an obscene degree, with places carved up in completely stupid manner to achieve particular goals in votes, voter suppression is number 1 priority in numerous States where spurious claims of fraud are used to justify making it more difficult for the 'wrong type' of people to vote, and if it all goes wrong fall back on the filibuster - a nasty cynical tactic to just block legislation by timing it out - or the Supreme Court, which is openly partisan. America is deeply conservative, in all of its meanings. It is set up to not change. Change is to be fought, undermined, hampered, hobbled and defied. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 GOP tactics 101: Make government function as badly as possible by blocking any bill or policy that would improve it, make people lose trust in ‘the government’, campaign on a populist platform of reducing the government’s role in people’s lives.(Don’t say out loud that this really means lower taxes for the super wealthy, ignore the obvious double standards and let the government invade people’s bedrooms and reproductive rights.) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 22 hours ago, nick76 said: Shame! I may have been a bit premature she’s now within 60 votes of taking the lead from being 10,000 behind. ”Stop the count” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidcow Posted November 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Jareth said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Chindie said: America is deeply conservative, in all of its meanings. It is set up to not change. Change is to be fought, undermined, hampered, hobbled and defied. According to Chomsky the whole consitution was set up to preserve rights and privileges of the property-owning classes. No doubt in emulation of the British model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 you love to see it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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