AVFCforever1991 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 What other choice did we have???????? Westwood was the only midfielder we had on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I'd a tad nervy if Ireland is going to be out for an extended period about who is going to pull the strings in our midfield? To be honest, I didn't see a lot from Westwood to show he could do Ireland's job in midfield (although I have heard he is more of a defensive midfielder). To think he got a good beating from Southampton players, what are United going to do to him :/ Can only hope for the best really - but hope he steps up to the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDish Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Way to early to say if this lad is gonna make it. I'll be back at Christmas time and give a verdict then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 many players have had bad debuts so i think people criticizing too soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 many players have had bad debuts so i think people criticizing too soon agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Give him a couple of full seasons before judging him. Unfortunately we dont have the luxury of giving players time to perform. If we do - we will end up in relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee1971 Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 I think the substitutions on saturday show that Lambert has no faith in CNZ and Westwood had to be used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 Still got high hopes for this lad. Remember Ashley Young's very indifferent start? (Although he did score on his debut). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Behind delph in the pecking order for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Are people really slating him already? morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Still got high hopes for this lad. Remember Ashley Young's very indifferent start? (Although he did score on his debut). Petrov be best example of a player with a slow start. great debut but faded until 2008 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 Still got high hopes for this lad. Remember Ashley Young's very indifferent start? (Although he did score on his debut). Petrov be best example of a player with a slow start. great debut but faded until 2008 I hope he gets up to speed quicker than Petrov did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 It'll take a while to get up to speed, the game past him by, I think he really was caught with his pants down for the third goal (or was that Holman tracking the runner? I forget now). The bottom line is though, the entire team was dreadful on Saturday, and the likes of Westwood need to be given time. I think this forum is home to a lot of people with bi-polar disorder. One win and we're flying up the table, one loss and we're going down seems to be the logic. I think this season needs to be about stablisation, we need to just stay in the league and give Lambert and the players the time and space to develop. Having expectations beyond around the 15th place mark seems to be a tad unrealistic right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quizme Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 How did he do against Newcastle in the U-21 game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I absolutely agree. However I will also say that given our position as a club and what has happened in the last two years a lot of people are, understandably, nervous and want to see a turn around immediately and good performances from our players straight away. Like I said I understand that, but simply ain't going to happen. We have the players for a long term job not a short term one This is where in my humble opinion Lambert has got it badly wrong. I would assume the main remit for any Premiership manager outside the top six this season in particular is to try and make sure their club isn't relegated! Taking into consideration where we have been in the table the past two seasons should we have purchased players from the lower leagues and expected them to hit the ground running in the Premiership when there were better players available such as Diame for example? I'm not saying that our club doesn't need revolutionized, but would it not have been better this season to spent the majority of our budget on the DM, winger and number 10 we so badly needed rather than gambling on players who may or may not have hit the ground running with us. Stabilize the club first this season and then look at bringing those lower league players or those players with no Premiership experience in January to boost squad numbers. Buying players for the long term is fine if you are going to blood them into a settled team at the right time. Bringing 5-6 into a Premiership team which has struggled for two seasons against relegation is a recipe for inconsistency leading to confidence levels dropping if results continue to be poor and thats what is happening at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Trouble is you have to take the plunge at some point for the long term players or you'll never do it! Buy those two or three you mentioned (and by the way I think we needed 8 players this summer so two or three would have left us short) and IMO we would still struggle, besides which we would never then get the young up and coming ones or get them to work together in a team as you would always be doing the short termism you refer to. No guarantees either that the players he got this summer would be available, other teams might be sniffing I think he had to take this action and he had to do it when he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Really hope he steps up against Fulham and shows us all what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Far too early to give a verdict... like everything about the club this season, from manager to the season ticket pack vouchers, to the new players... He needs encouragement right now, not a finger poke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Trouble is you have to take the plunge at some point for the long term players or you'll never do it! Buy those two or three you mentioned (and by the way I think we needed 8 players this summer so two or three would have left us short) and IMO we would still struggle, besides which we would never then get the young up and coming ones or get them to work together in a team as you would always be doing the short termism you refer to. No guarantees either that the players he got this summer would be available, other teams might be sniffing I think he had to take this action and he had to do it when he did You might refer it to 'short termism.' I actually refer to it as building stability within a team which has struggled for two seasons now due to not having the right quality in the right positions for our team to be effective offensively and defensively. By then introducing lower league and inexperience into that equation could only add more indecision within the team and the squad as a whole and thats what we're getting at the moment. Its actually a question of balance. We already had young players trying to find their feet in the first team such as Bannan, Weimann, Delph, Herd and so on and for me it was time to supplement those players with battle hardened Premiership quality rather than lower league and Premiership inexperienced players. Diame was on a free and the others i have mentioned would have cost our budget but i do believe the majority would have been less concerned about our Premiership safety and my worry is that, if, our results continue to slide, will the confidence of the fans and players slide with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted October 19, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2012 You might refer it to 'short termism.' I actually refer to it as building stability within a team which has struggled for two seasons now due to not having the right quality in the right positions for our team to be effective offensively and defensively. By then introducing lower league and inexperience into that equation could only add more indecision within the team and the squad as a whole and thats what we're getting at the moment. Its actually a question of balance. We already had young players trying to find their feet in the first team such as Bannan, Weimann, Delph, Herd and so on and for me it was time to supplement those players with battle hardened Premiership quality rather than lower league and Premiership inexperienced players. Diame was on a free and the others i have mentioned would have cost our budget but i do believe the majority would have been less concerned about our Premiership safety and my worry is that, if, our results continue to slide, will the confidence of the fans and players slide with it? looks like you have no confidence already to me. there would have been zero value in going for established prem players, we tried that or have you forgotten? in order to attract them to villa you have to pay over the odds wages, especially now we aren't pushing for european places etc. give PL and his new signings some time to actually play a bit. westwood has palyed 45 mins or so ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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