Jimzk5 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Still not sold on him, he may be a Dutch international but he still only cost £2.5million and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Vlaar is good IMO. I don't see where the criticism comes from. Watch replays of the goals we concede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Vlaar is good IMO. I don't see where the criticism comes from. Watch replays of the goals we concede. He is often left exposed. Okore went missing for the Liverpoo goal the other day so Vlaar was left to try and make a last ditch interception. El Ahmadi and Lowton had a mix up for the first Chelski goal. Benteke lost his man for the second Chelski goal and Lowton was miles up the pitch when we conceded against Arsenal, so I dont place any blame on Vlaar. We have conceded 4 goals in 3 games against 3 of the best teams in the league and Vlaar has played great. He also has had to switch to left side of center back to accomodate Okore since half time vs Chelski. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Vlaar is good IMO. I don't see where the criticism comes from. Watch replays of the goals we concede. He is often left exposed. Okore went missing for the Liverpoo goal the other day so Vlaar was left to try and make a last ditch interception. Please watch the replay. This is inaccurate. While it's true that Okore was caught doing Lowton's left back job as Lowton was out of position it did not influence the goal which was caused by Vlaar breaking the defensive line putting an offside player onside and ignoring the goal threat in front of him. That is rookie defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 It's easy to pick out individuals...but our general organisation in defending is in question for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myko Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 If we had an experienced head somewhere else on the pitch (e.g. midfield) then I would be all for pairing Baker with Okore, however the fact of the matter is we have no real outfield leader except Vlaar so I think it would be a mistake to leave him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 He's exceptionally average, i think were all under no illusions about that but i think he and okore are our best options right now its alright to constantly blame the rest of the team and his cb partner but in the end when the same things keep happening its not really valid anymore. I think lambert thought we were getting a very different defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Vlaar is good IMO. I don't see where the criticism comes from. Watch replays of the goals we concede. He is often left exposed. Okore went missing for the Liverpoo goal the other day so Vlaar was left to try and make a last ditch interception. Please watch the replay. This is inaccurate. While it's true that Okore was caught doing Lowton's left back job as Lowton was out of position it did not influence the goal which was caused by Vlaar breaking the defensive line putting an offside player onside and ignoring the goal threat in front of him. That is rookie defending. Fair enough Vlaar is partly to blame but I suggest you watch the goal again and tell me how Vlaar is supposed to mark 3 men. The fact is we were left short at the back again which caused confusion and imo the midfield should be the ones tracking the players coming into the box as we were 3 vs 4 when the ball is played across to Sturridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 still think Vlaar is improvement on Collins but he is not awesome and he is not awful, a very decent player. We have conceded 4 goals all season considering it was 13 in these 3 games last season and hasnt helped playing with was his 3rd partner in a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 27, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 27, 2013 I'm not actually convinced he is better than Collins, they both have different strengths and weaknesses but I'm fairly sure he is on less money and has a better attitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Agree with Trent. I think like Collins, Vlaar gets undeserved flak for his performances. For where we are now, Vlaar is a good player. In 2 years time I think Okore will replace him and Baker will be his partner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Delph clearly should have been tracking Sturridge...he had him and he let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Bit of Ronaldinho Vlaar tonight ey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted August 28, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2013 Agree with Trent. I think like Collins, Vlaar gets undeserved flak for his performances. For where we are now, Vlaar is a good player. In 2 years time I think Okore will replace him and Baker will be his partner. Okore will surpass him in two months time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I thought Vlaar played well tonight against a big lumbering centre forward. Hopefully his partnership with Okore continues to get stronger too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything11 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 He is still improving with each game and watching him chip one of their players was great. Remember he was out with injury for a long time last season and has been shifted back across the backline to fit Okore in. I think the partnership will continue to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 If both stay fit then he and Okore should compliment each other's games quite nicely and create our best partnership for years. We need some stability in the heart of the defence to really start making an impression on the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 much better than collins in my eyes and we paid 5m for collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I can't see anything that suggests he's better than Collins. I would imagine next summer he will be replaced with better to see us push on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 He's better with the ball than Collins but I'm not sure he's a better defender. Needs to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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