villan_007 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Stop making exuses for this guy he is our weake link bigtime as he was last season !!!!.Should not be captain let alone starting 11.It's a shame Okore is injuried.Lambert needs to wake up to himself and drop him.Problem is that now there is not much to replace him either. Total and utter rubbish. Weakest link for christ sake. Nobody wants to highlight when he is good, he made some cracking interceptions during the game, and when the fullbacks make mistakes that lead to goals, it isn't his fault. Disgusting how he is turned on by our fans. Stinks. I'm sick of it, someone makes a mistake and they are abused and wanted out the squad. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Stop making exuses for this guy he is our weake link bigtime as he was last season !!!!.Should not be captain let alone starting 11.It's a shame Okore is injuried.Lambert needs to wake up to himself and drop him.Problem is that now there is not much to replace him either. Absolutely spot on. People keep making excuses for him having to "babysit" the likes of Clark and Baker, when I don't think he's as good as either of them. Terrible player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Stop making exuses for this guy he is our weake link bigtime as he was last season !!!!.Should not be captain let alone starting 11.It's a shame Okore is injuried.Lambert needs to wake up to himself and drop him.Problem is that now there is not much to replace him either. Absolutely spot on. People keep making excuses for him having to "babysit" the likes of Clark and Baker, when I don't think he's as good as either of them. Terrible player. Rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Stop making exuses for this guy he is our weake link bigtime as he was last season !!!!.Should not be captain let alone starting 11.It's a shame Okore is injuried.Lambert needs to wake up to himself and drop him.Problem is that now there is not much to replace him either. Absolutely spot on. People keep making excuses for him having to "babysit" the likes of Clark and Baker, when I don't think he's as good as either of them. Terrible player. Rubbish. Rubbish. Good game this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I wouldn't go as far as Risso in my criticism of Vlaar, but he is definitely over rated by a large section of our support who seem to be desperate for him to be the next Mellberg or Laursen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I wouldn't go as far as Risso in my criticism of Vlaar, but he is definitely over rated by a large section of our support who seem to be desperate for him to be the next Mellberg or Laursen. i dont think he is as good as some people make out but he is also not as bad as some others are making out. the defence is better with him in the team. We conceded 6 goals so far and in corresponding games last season we conceded 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I think some of the criticism is harsh, I think generally he was thrown into the deep end last season, its not about baby-sitting. It's about adjusting to the pace of the league, I think in the past two games he has been our best CB, but it is him as the experienced one to actually organise the shape of the side, which is his biggest failing as a player IMO. Him and Guzan should be the organisers of the back and for me on the pitch Ron is far too quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) I wouldn't go as far as Risso in my criticism of Vlaar, but he is definitely over rated by a large section of our support who seem to be desperate for him to be the next Mellberg or Laursen. i dont think he is as good as some people make out but he is also not as bad as some others are making out. the defence is better with him in the team. We conceded 6 goals so far and in corresponding games last season we conceded 14 I asked for a bit of research and BOF came back with the answers, in our 26 game spell, the highest combination of pairing of CB's has been Vlaar and Baker for 8 games. We actually need to have a settled back four and especially a CB partnership. Edited September 20, 2013 by SikhInTrinity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I wouldn't go as far as Risso in my criticism of Vlaar, but he is definitely over rated by a large section of our support who seem to be desperate for him to be the next Mellberg or Laursen. To be fair, I'm desperate for him to be the next Mellberg or Laursen as well. It just isn't going to happen though. I'd say if we're lucky he might be the next Cuellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonVillian Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I wouldn't go as far as Risso in my criticism of Vlaar, but he is definitely over rated by a large section of our support who seem to be desperate for him to be the next Mellberg or Laursen. i dont think he is as good as some people make out but he is also not as bad as some others are making out. the defence is better with him in the team. We conceded 6 goals so far and in corresponding games last season we conceded 14 I asked for a bit of research and BOF came back with the answers, in our 26 game spell, the highest combination of pairing of CB's has been Vlaar and Baker for 8 games. We actually need to have a settled back four and especially a CB partnership. This we need a a proper partnership built up over time shame okore is out for season so we need Baker and Vlar for a prolonged spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) i think he is bang average, isn't one of our better or worse players. i personally think its the organisation and communication which is why we concede goals and make errors, i dont think there's a massive problem with ability or experience back there anymore Edited September 20, 2013 by skarroki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 surely the organisation and communication should be Guzan job as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 surely the organisation and communication should be Guzan job as well Agreed him and Vlaar have to be organising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 "Terrible player"!! Laughable post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) Praying he doesn't get injured Like it or not he's the best of a bad bunch The fact teams just walk through our midfield can't help matters much either at times i was convinced KEA was operating a zimmerframe he was that pedestrian Edited September 20, 2013 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 We're better off with him in the defence at the end of the day... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adbo9 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Polystyrene Ron ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Time he stepped up to the plate to be honest, sick of hearing excuses for the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) I was very critical of Vlaar after the Arsenal game but I don't think he has done an awful lot wrong since then if I'm honest. Edited September 20, 2013 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Agreed. He made a lot of clangers during arsenal but he's been above average since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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