OxfordVillan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Thankfully Jack can return to Villa today, free from injury and back into an environment where his talents are understood and encouraged. He has the extra incentive of knowing that every good game makes Southgate look a bigger prick. He can get back to focusing solely on the club he loves, safe in the knowledge that it wouldn’t matter if he was at Manchester Utd or even Real Madrid, England currently have a manager who wouldn’t play him, no matter his form or club. Let’s focus on Leicester now and go get something from the game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) From a Villa perspective I don’t think the call up could have gone better. The media and fans in England have realised what a player he is yet he comes back to us fresh, and happy he is at a club that appreciates his quality while also eager to prove a point. edit: Great minds, OxfordVillan Edited October 15, 2020 by a m ole 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikeyp102 Posted October 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2020 I was annoyed Jack didn’t play against Belgium on Sunday, but last night when it’s only a few days away from our game I’m not that fussed. It just highlights more Southgate ineptitude than Jack. I posted this in the England thread but has credence here as well... Go Man Go The off-the-cuff ingenuity of the Aston Villa man could unleash the attacking potential in a gifted England generation but the manager is reluctant It was surely a first in the history of the Englandteam; a man-of-the-match full debutant failing to get a single minute on the pitch three days later in the very next game. Gareth Southgate’s relationship with Jack Grealish has moved on from suspect to faintly ridiculous in the last week. It has moved from glaring squad omissions for spurious reasons to weirdly evasive answers to questions concerning the Aston Villacaptain’s performance in an England shirt. Southgate seemed desperate to talk about anything else after the 3-0 victory over Wales, most notably the qualities of Grealish’s main rival for a spot, Mason Mount. It was a baffling next step in a relationship that has always been uneasy...... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, chrisvilla4 said: I'm getting quite bored of it all now tbh and I've been pretty apathetic towards England for quite some time anyway, and, a lot of it is to do with the 'favourites' being picked regardless of form. Also, if Southgate's only reasoning not to pick Grealish is to do with something personal then he shouldn't be in the job. Even if its personal at least be honest with Jack and the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Zatman said: Even if its personal at least be honest with Jack and the fans When has that ever happened in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Exactly, one thing I've noticed about Jack is that he seems utterly nerveless when he gets on the pitch. The only time I've seen him look unhappy on the pitch was after lockdown when he looked like he was struggling for form, then he switched gears and kept us up when it came to the crunch. Dean knows exactly how to handle him as well. I don't think what's happening with Southgate will have any effect on him whatsoever, if anything be just comes back to us feeling fresher and with a lot of goodwill on his side. Jack is a winner, after lockdown we were better balanced across the pitch except for being able to put it in the net, a little like Southgate wants but less negative. It didn't suit Jack initially but Jack and the coaches figured out how to make it work, the standard of coaching is obviously higher then at international level. That international standard is a myth anyway, if a rare gem pops up from the bottom of the champ then maybe he might be exposed so better coaching. Comments like players need to be playing at the highest level, winning trophies and playing champs league, those are just Southgate excuses for putting down people not in his clique, just awful man management, Phillips, Rice etc. Internationals are easy, pick the best players for a balanced squad and who ever is in form gets the nod, they are all pretty decent but some should pick themselves. Not preaching just how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, Zatman said: Even if its personal at least be honest with Jack and the fans “I don’t like him as a person, I think he is a dickhead” wouldn’t exactly fly well if publicly stated... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Adam2003 said: “I don’t like him as a person, I think he is a dickhead” wouldn’t exactly fly well if publicly stated... I think people would respect Southgate more if he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Adam2003 said: “I don’t like him as a person, I think he is a dickhead” wouldn’t exactly fly well if publicly stated... "I find Jack difficult to work with, he is a good player but I need to have a good personal relationship with all my squad to get the best out of them, for those reasons I have not picked Jack for this squad" Be a man Gareth, its simple and easy, put this to bed because it is a major distraction. Adam, I've seen you post that you have some inside knowledge on this matter, without dropping yourself in it by naming names etc, but what roughly do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 In a way, if it is a personal vendetta and not purely down to Southgate being shit at his job, Grealish is quite lucky Southgate also happens to be as shit as they come. Laporte, Martial, Benzema all missed out on winner's medals (despite being good enough to get in the squad) for various reasons. If England had any manager who wasn't completely shit there would be a non-zero chance of that happening to Grealish. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 England should not need to play two defensive midfielders against anyone, this therefore frees up space to accommodate your best players. On current form there is nobody better than Grealish and his exclusion is baffling. Phillips to be fair looks ok but Declan f****** Rice is atrocious and should not be anywhere near England squads. I'm another who thinks Sancho is currently underperforming for England... Anyway it's all good for Villa presuming Grealish was not carrying an injury because surely that is the only reason he didn't play? Any other reason is as I mentioned baffling! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said: "I find Jack difficult to work with, he is a good player but I need to have a good personal relationship with all my squad to get the best out of them, for those reasons I have not picked Jack for this squad" Be a man Gareth, its simple and easy, put this to bed because it is a major distraction. Adam, I've seen you post that you have some inside knowledge on this matter, without dropping yourself in it by naming names etc, but what roughly do you know? Nothing more than that really - I am told by someone who I know for a fact is good mates with Southgate that Southgate thinks he’s a good player but doesn’t like him as a person. I don’t have any insight on to why, or if it’s based on some historical incident, or his personality, or what. I would also hope (and some of Southgate’s quotes suggest this) that like anyone who finds a colleague annoying, that relationship might improve over time - and hopefully Jack just being in the squad and working hard will do that. But he’s definitely playing catch up like anyone whose boss doesn’t like them but has them on their team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Davkaus Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Roy Keane is a dickhead who says outrageous things to keep himself relevant. He's the football world's Richard Littlejohn. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted October 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 15, 2020 irishman doesn't like grealish. what a shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 48 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: England should not need to play two defensive midfielders against anyone, this therefore frees up space to accommodate your best players. On current form there is nobody better than Grealish and his exclusion is baffling. Phillips to be fair looks ok but Declan f****** Rice is atrocious and should not be anywhere near England squads. I'm another who thinks Sancho is currently underperforming for England... Anyway it's all good for Villa presuming Grealish was not carrying an injury because surely that is the only reason he didn't play? Any other reason is as I mentioned baffling! This is not the face of a man who isn't playing because he is carrying a knock, rather it is the face of a man contemplating what he did to receive the punishment of having his international prime wasted by an utter buffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: England should not need to play two defensive midfielders against anyone, this therefore frees up space to accommodate your best players. On current form there is nobody better than Grealish and his exclusion is baffling. Phillips to be fair looks ok but Declan f****** Rice is atrocious and should not be anywhere near England squads. I'm another who thinks Sancho is currently underperforming for England... Anyway it's all good for Villa presuming Grealish was not carrying an injury because surely that is the only reason he didn't play? Any other reason is as I mentioned baffling! The issue is because we o ly play wihh 2 defensive midfielders in the pitch we get dominated and then it's supporters go look we are justified we would have gotten overrun without it when if we ha splayed grealish or maddison we would have dominated the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted October 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 15, 2020 I actually feel almost as bad for Mount as I do Grealish. He's a bloody good player being used as a shield by the waistcoat rocket polisher. I wouldn't have taken Mount off anyway. Grealish for Rashford would have transformed that team. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, tomav84 said: irishman doesn't like grealish. what a shocker. Keane is one of the reasons Jack chose England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: England should not need to play two defensive midfielders against anyone, this therefore frees up space to accommodate your best players. On current form there is nobody better than Grealish and his exclusion is baffling. Phillips to be fair looks ok but Declan f****** Rice is atrocious and should not be anywhere near England squads. I'm another who thinks Sancho is currently underperforming for England... Anyway it's all good for Villa presuming Grealish was not carrying an injury because surely that is the only reason he didn't play? Any other reason is as I mentioned baffling! Most top teams club or international play 4 at the back and 1 shield in midfield. As I said the only way you adapt is if you have no faith in your defence, your best defenders need that system or you have attacking wing backs. 5 at the back and 2 defensive midfielders you would expect from San Marino turning up at Wembley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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