Popular Post Rolta Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 05/10/2020 at 12:12, KenjiOgiwara said: Thought he was our worst player. Looked complete shite. It's not that he can't come good, but he looks completely off pace and his first touch was just a catastrophy at times. We've recruited well this summer, but I'm not sure we got this one right. Anyway, he needs weeks and weeks on BMH before we can assess it correctly. You're trying too hard mate. He did have a bad first touch...once. Apparently it was a catastrophe?! Lol. You're willing him to be rubbish so much. Go ahead by all means, but everyone can tell what you're doing. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keener window-cleaner Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 05/10/2020 at 04:11, maqroll said: Anyone catch that little headed self pass move to create a great chance? This guy is pretty slick. I wasn't sure if he intended to do it, but if he did it was some skill that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 33 minutes ago, Rolta said: You're trying too hard mate. He did have a bad first touch...once. Apparently it was a catastrophe?! Lol. You're willing him to be rubbish so much. Go ahead by all means, but everyone can tell what you're doing. You beat me to it. Was insistent he was shite when reported we were signing him, to the point of " Lange out if this is all he can muster up" so he has got to stay in that lane, no matter what. lol 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: You beat me to it. Was insistent he was shite when reported we were signing him, to the point of " Lange out if this is all he can muster up" so he has got to stay in that lane, no matter what. lol You'll have to take that narrative from his cold dead hands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillanousOne Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 12, 2020 58 minutes ago, MaVilla said: not great quality....but eh. Madagascar are a good team with the ball, they like to move it move it... that's right, tenuous cartoon film joke, it's been a long year folks... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCollins29 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Hope he comes good but feel he will be another frustrating winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, VillanousOne said: Madagascar are a good team with the ball, they like to move it move it... that's right, tenuous cartoon film joke, it's been a long year folks... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Had 2 good chances against Liverpool in a 5 minute cameo. Probably a testament to how hard we were battering them. I liked that one moment when he got the ball from Cash I think and just ran at Robertson, forcing him to run back. Haven't seen anything like that on our right side for years. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Rolta said: You're trying too hard mate. He did have a bad first touch...once. Apparently it was a catastrophe?! Lol. You're willing him to be rubbish so much. Go ahead by all means, but everyone can tell what you're doing. I literally write he needs time before we can assess it correctly. As for my initial assessment. It's an opinion. I know shocking stuff on a message board. We can't all be sheep. I'll leave that to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I think he’s talented, I just think that there are few talented wingers out there in the Championship which we won’t be able to get after this season. So getting Benrahma or one of the top wingers down there won’t be because of Traore being bad, probably because squad depth and that we don’t lose the talent to another PL competitor. I look forward for Traore to get up to speed, I think he’ll show what he can do especially with Jack and Barkley giving the other the other team more of the worry which will give spaces to Bertramd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rolta Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I literally write he needs time before we can assess it correctly. As for my initial assessment. It's an opinion. I know shocking stuff on a message board. We can't all be sheep. I'll leave that to you. It's funny how the sheep line comes out when you've been called out for nonsense hyperbole. Judging by the pointless aggression in a lot of your posts, I bet you use that phrase a lot in life. I'll give you a little insight into my sheepish opinion on Traore—I haven't seen him enough to make up exaggerated statements like his 'at times (once) catastrophic first touch (there was no catastrophe afterwards—nothing happened).' I am by no means confident he'll be good, am actually a little skeptical, but as I haven't seen him enough I'm reserving my judgement. It's true though that against Fulham he came on and looked good. It's also true that he had a dodgy first touch once in the Liverpool game and didn't look as good. Having written all this, do you not think it's better to base opinions on actual knowledge rather than just sticking by your ott reaction when we bought him? The post I reacted to was a blatant bit of you trying to force whatever facts you could into your catastrophic initial statements on the player. It's a manipulation of reality, making it what you want it to be, along the same lines as calling me a sheep. If you were less ott in what you say you might find there are a lot of people who share similar concerns. Edited October 13, 2020 by Rolta 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) I call it as I see it. I have no set point of views for any of our players. Traore has not impressed me by his camoes so far. I'd be astounded if he starts over Trez any time soon. If I thought he starts impressing or even put in a half good shift, I'd say so right away. I said the same thing about Grealish in the middle at the start of last season and got slaughtered for it. I think I was proven right he shouldn't have been central and him starting there was detrimental to our performances. And I was proven wrong on how effective he'd be at the wing in the PL. He moved to the wing and has been amazing. His development in getting direct and showing end product has been extreme. I've got no problem saying that either. It's a message board. People will have different opinions on player performances. You seem to think subjective opinions on a performance isn't relevant unless it matches yours. It would be a case to make if you were SAF, but you're not. The fact that you're trying to portray an opinion that doesn't match yours to take place due to some underlaying agenda, well it says everything. I'll leave you to it. Edited October 13, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bannedfromHandV Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I call it as I see it. I have no set point of views for any of our players. Traore has not impressed me by his camoes so far. I'd be astounded if he starts over Trez any time soon. If I thought he starts impressing or even put in a half good shift, I'd say so right away. I said the same thing about Grealish in the middle at the start of last season and got slaughtered for it. I think I was proven right he shouldn't have been central and him starting there was detrimental to our performances. And I was proven wrong on how effective he'd be at the wing in the PL. He moved to the wing and has been amazing. His development in getting direct and showing end product has been extreme. I've got no problem saying that either. It's a message board. People will have different opinions on player performances. You seem to think subjective opinions on a performance isn't relevant unless it matches yours. It would be a case to make if you were SAF, but you're not. The fact that you're trying to portray an opinion that doesn't match yours to take place due to some underlaying agenda, well it says everything. I'll leave you to it. He won goal of the month with his ‘cameos’ so far...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: He won goal of the month with his ‘cameos’ so far...... Haven't seen that, but I assume it's a GotM of Villa picks, i.e. voted forward by Villa fans? So Villa fans voting for the goal of their new expensive winger? A goal that most likely wasn't an intended shot, but a pass? It ended up being a lovely goal, even if it was pure luck, but I don't think that carries much weight of his camoes so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Haven't seen that, but I assume it's a GotM of Villa picks, i.e. voted forward by Villa fans? So Villa fans voting for the goal of their new expensive winger? A goal that most likely wasn't an intended shot, but a pass? It ended up being a lovely goal, even if it was pure luck, but I don't think that carries much weight of his camoes so far. So you didn't like his cameo against Fulham, even though it was clearly a very good cameo? (And yes, it was 'only' Fulham and Fulham are shit) I get your 'subjective opinion' carrying a lot of weight in your head, but objectively you really do seem to be tailoring things to fit the opinion you made sure everyone on this thread knew you had back when we signed Traore—that you thought he was a bad signing even though you'd never seen him play. It's funny, and it's funny how aggressive you are about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 It's Kenji vs. Rolta... AND IT'S LIVE! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 22 hours ago, KenjiOgiwara said: I call it as I see it. I have no set point of views for any of our players. Traore has not impressed me by his camoes so far. I'd be astounded if he starts over Trez any time soon. If I thought he starts impressing or even put in a half good shift, I'd say so right away. I said the same thing about Grealish in the middle at the start of last season and got slaughtered for it. I think I was proven right he shouldn't have been central and him starting there was detrimental to our performances. And I was proven wrong on how effective he'd be at the wing in the PL. He moved to the wing and has been amazing. His development in getting direct and showing end product has been extreme. I've got no problem saying that either. It's a message board. People will have different opinions on player performances. You seem to think subjective opinions on a performance isn't relevant unless it matches yours. It would be a case to make if you were SAF, but you're not. The fact that you're trying to portray an opinion that doesn't match yours to take place due to some underlaying agenda, well it says everything. I'll leave you to it. Only his game against Stoke wasn’t encouraging. Can’t expect more from only 5 mins against Fulham and Liverpool. Yet he began a great attack to Watkins which wasn’t completed. Then had two great chances against Liverpool, the way he controlled it with his head was really nice. Didn’t watch Bristol, but Stoke was bad for everyone. I won’t judge him on that. There is also a problem when judging a player on a cameo or even hard games. We can’t say we’re the best team after doing what we’ve done to Liverpool, yet we can’t say we’re bad when we were hopeless at the first 60mins against a 10 men Sheff Utd. We can’t say that Traore would definitely do what he did against Liverpool because he came in an easy circumstances, yet we can’t take credit from him or not notice his ability. Basically if you took out Stoke games from your mind, you’ll find his abilities encouraging. I don’t think he’s bad at all, it’s just me wanting to get one of the Championship talents as if we don’t get them now then we won’t get them such as Benrahma, Sarr and Brooks...etc I’d be happy to give Traore a chance and I think he’ll offer a lot to the team. Trez has a great workrate, has some contribution especially in terms of positioning. But he lacks decision making and shooting ability from open play. He doesn’t tricky moves, which all are important to a winger. But he’s useful for the squad and might be the best choice for big games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thug Posted October 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2020 I’m my opinion Trez has had a fantastic start to this season, which has probably caught both fans and coaching staff by surprise. The amount of work he puts in I can’t imagine anyone being able to wrestle his starting spot from him at the moment. I hold my hands up and admit I had completely written him off before the COVID-19 restart. His form will have a fantastic impact on traore. It will firstly buy him time to get match fit, and secondly take off the pressure from the fans for an immediate impact. Big lessons to be learnt from the Douglas and Trez upturns in form - and I hope we give Traore plenty of time to settle properly before we start to judge him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Good to see him playing and scoring for his national team. Will help his fitness and confidence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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