Rugeley Villa Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Crap that we miss him for first leg as he’s a genuine game winner . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 37 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Crap that we miss him for first leg as he’s a genuine game winner . Yeah - certainly frustrating. A small bonus is it looks like one of the main Olympiacos centre backs is suspended from the first leg too (as got red carded) so they will be impacted too. Hopefully Olsen will do the business in the first leg and then we can have another Martinez masterclass in Greece. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allani Posted April 21 Popular Post Share Posted April 21 20 hours ago, turvontour said: What? We started time wasting after about an hour of the first game in a two leg tie. It was annoying me at the game. Its nonsensical. Either refs are continuously wrong or we are time wasting. I remember reading last season that it after the World Cup, Martinez was disproportionately booked for time-wasting compared to other goalkeepers who were taking longer to re-start play. Some of the analysis is in the link below. The analysis basically shows that we were the 8th slowest team at re-starting play from a goal-kick. However, we are within half a second of being bang in the middle and the teams below us were all taking about 2 seconds longer than us. We were taking 30.1 seconds to restart from a goalkick. The league average was around 28 seconds. However, Martinez was booked for time-wasting more often that any other keeper in the league - Raya (whilst at Brentford) took on average 1.8 seconds longer per goalkick and yet never got booked for timewasting once. Newcastle were taking almost 6 seconds longer per re-start and yet got away with it much more. Basically the idea that Martinez wastes time more often that other keepers is mainly horse$hit. I can't believe that referees can distinguish between a 0.5 second delay on average (which would put us in the middle of the pack) and they are clearly swayed by the "idea" that Emi wastes more time that anyone else. He clearly gets carded more frequently than he deserves to (in comparison to the behaviour of other keepers). If referees are genuinely concerned about re-start times then it really wouldn't be difficult to have a countdown clock (they do it in rugby) either on screen or with the VAR officials and then anyone repeatedly breaking the countdown could justifiably be booked for wasting time (it wouldn't be difficult to stop the countdown for unavoidable delays). As it is referees are clearly being impacted by reputations and crowd behaviour. Time Wasting 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 12 minutes ago, allani said: I remember reading last season that it after the World Cup, Martinez was disproportionately booked for time-wasting compared to other goalkeepers who were taking longer to re-start play. Some of the analysis is in the link below. The analysis basically shows that we were the 8th slowest team at re-starting play from a goal-kick. However, we are within half a second of being bang in the middle and the teams below us were all taking about 2 seconds longer than us. We were taking 30.1 seconds to restart from a goalkick. The league average was around 28 seconds. However, Martinez was booked for time-wasting more often that any other keeper in the league - Raya (whilst at Brentford) took on average 1.8 seconds longer per goalkick and yet never got booked for timewasting once. Newcastle were taking almost 6 seconds longer per re-start and yet got away with it much more. Basically the idea that Martinez wastes time more often that other keepers is mainly horse$hit. I can't believe that referees can distinguish between a 0.5 second delay on average (which would put us in the middle of the pack) and they are clearly swayed by the "idea" that Emi wastes more time that anyone else. He clearly gets carded more frequently than he deserves to (in comparison to the behaviour of other keepers). If referees are genuinely concerned about re-start times then it really wouldn't be difficult to have a countdown clock (they do it in rugby) either on screen or with the VAR officials and then anyone repeatedly breaking the countdown could justifiably be booked for wasting time (it wouldn't be difficult to stop the countdown for unavoidable delays). As it is referees are clearly being impacted by reputations and crowd behaviour. Time Wasting Following on from this - Emi was booked 5 times in the first 10 PL matches immediately after the World Cup for time-wasting. Yet he was not taking longer than he had been before the World Cup (on average) and one article I've seen (but now lost the link to) suggested that in the same time period he was around the 7th slowest from restarts - in other words there were something like 65 times where keepers took longer (on average) restarting play than Emi did and yet collectively they ended up with something like 4 or 5 bookings between them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted April 21 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21 20 minutes ago, allani said: Following on from this - Emi was booked 5 times in the first 10 PL matches immediately after the World Cup for time-wasting. Yet he was not taking longer than he had been before the World Cup (on average) and one article I've seen (but now lost the link to) suggested that in the same time period he was around the 7th slowest from restarts - in other words there were something like 65 times where keepers took longer (on average) restarting play than Emi did and yet collectively they ended up with something like 4 or 5 bookings between them. Also, in other words Refs are slaves to their biases (ie not very good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 He gets two yellows And stays on the pitch Emi Martinez, the world’s no 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) 17 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: He gets two yellows And stays on the pitch Emi Martinez, the world’s no 1 Was really expecting the last line there to be “Emi Martinez, France is his bitch” Edited April 21 by Adam2003 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 The stats about the average time taken after interesting, and probably the best we have, but I'm not sure they tell the whole story. We've all seen how Emi will start to take the piss with the delays and mysterious injuries as we approach the end of games, and his average being in line didn't necessarily mean that the bookings were unfair if he's usually reasonably quick but then really drags out a couple at the end, he'd deserve the booking even if the average looks reasonable. The ones in the week were nonsense but I don't recall many others throughout the season that I didn't think he had coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 52 minutes ago, Davkaus said: The stats about the average time taken after interesting, and probably the best we have, but I'm not sure they tell the whole story. We've all seen how Emi will start to take the piss with the delays and mysterious injuries as we approach the end of games, and his average being in line didn't necessarily mean that the bookings were unfair if he's usually reasonably quick but then really drags out a couple at the end, he'd deserve the booking even if the average looks reasonable. The ones in the week were nonsense but I don't recall many others throughout the season that I didn't think he had coming. Although again that would assume that his behaviour (if it even does change during a game) changes in a very different way to other keepers. I would imagine that most teams "slow play down" when they are ahead and closing in on full time. But this would even itself out in the comparative averages. It seems unlikely (but not impossible) that Emi is quick in restarting play a lot / most of the time and then really slows things down as the match progresses. Indeed I suspect that part of the reason opposition fans and even your point that "he had it coming" points towards him taking a similar period of time through a game - he's rarely booked for delaying a single re-start and it is almost always indicated to be repeated infringements. Which I still think indicates that referees are much quicker to book him for time-wasting than other keepers who are basically spending more or less the same time as him - or in some cases noticeably longer. I'd like to see a more detailed analysis (I am sure that it must be available out there) but I am 90% certain that there will be plenty of occassions when Emi has been booked where either his average re-start time and / or the specific incident for which he gets the yellow is quicker than the opposition keeper. Similar to him getting booked during the penalty shoot out on Thursday and yet the guy who kicked the ball into a crowd and therefore effectively extended the period between Ollie getting to the penalty area and him being able to take the kick by over a minute (irrespective of what Emi was / was not doing) wasn't penalised. The question is whether this has a negative impact on us (i.e. when he gets banned for reaching the yellow card limit) as a team or whether the frustration that it causes other fans / teams actually gains us a bigger advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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colhint Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 I'm wondering, when William becomes King. Who bows to whom, the UK number 1 or the world's number 1? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Ha , Onana gets two yellow cards in the game … guess what , he’s allowed to play in the final , FA have different rules to UEFA spawny manc rocket polishers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted April 21 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21 Soooooo. Emi shushes the Lille fans: 'it's a disgrace', 'terrible attitude', 'arrogant', 'get him an escort for his safety', 'shows massive lack of respect'. Trent Alexander Arnold shushes Fulham fans: [crickets]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 hours ago, Brumstopdogs said: I did notice the other night that his undershirt was Adidas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 7 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Ha , Onana gets two yellow cards in the game … guess what , he’s allowed to play in the final , FA have different rules to UEFA spawny manc rocket polishers You can't get suspended for a final via accumulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) 18 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: Crap that we miss him for first leg as he’s a genuine game winner . Still confused on what exactly happened. Didn’t the ref waive off the second yellow the moment after showing it to Emi? Edited April 22 by Aston_Villan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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