Genie Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Barely in the game, same every week. We need to find a way of using him because he’s clinical in front of goal* *less so from the spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Feet Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, Genie said: Barely in the game, same every week. We need to find a way of using him because he’s clinical in front of goal* *less so from the spot Not from 12 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I thought he was shit tonight. Poorly positioned most of the game. Horrific penalty and just made a mess of a lot of the moves today. This is why we need another striker on the bench to challenge him 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Farlz Posted November 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2020 A disallowed goal because his arm is offside while Ogbonna has him in a headlock. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanoid Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 He needs to be put to practicing penalties for the next week with a coach shouting at him "hard and low" before he takes each one so he doesnt forget. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 11 minutes ago, Humanoid said: He needs to be put to practicing penalties for the next week with a coach shouting at him "hard and low" before he takes each one so he doesnt forget. Not sure he'll take the next one. Think one of the Brentford guys said he wasn't good at penalties at all for them and quickly stopped taking them. We were spoilt for years with Barry, Young and Milner taking them. Young was probably the weakest of the three and he still scored 5-6 a season. Would get Jack back on them given his general form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I thought he was shit tonight. Poorly positioned most of the game. Horrific penalty and just made a mess of a lot of the moves today. This is why we need another striker on the bench to challenge him He's leading the line by himself for the majority of the game, what he's doing is pulling wide or at least away from the 2 CBs and Rice, he can't just sit there up top like Carew, Benteke, or Davis, that's not his game, it's movement in to space trying to stretch them and link up Add to that he's still isolated for too much of the game, we aren't close enough to him The pen miss is obviously poor, the other miss in the 1st half was a hard chance to take on I like him a lot, still raw, still developing but he's made a huge difference to us Got a great 1st touch at times too bringing down long balls And ill have to go back and watch it but I'm sure Jack's penalty vs West ham last season was very similar Edited November 30, 2020 by villa4europe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazmonkey Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I've said this before about Watkins. At Brentford he played on the line and had benrahma running with him playing balls in front of him to run on to. Grealish set up at arsenal as an example. We don't play like that and often its long balls at 100 mph in to him. He can do but its not his game and think the frustration shows and he had a game like tonight. Suprised seeing his pen stats he took it. There is a player there if used properly all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, villa4europe said: He's leading the line by himself for the majority of the game, what he's doing is pulling wide or at least away from the 2 CBs and Rice, he can't just sit there up top like Carew, Benteke, or Davis, that's not his game, it's movement in to space trying to stretch them and link up Add to that he's still isolated for too much of the game, we aren't close enough to him The pen miss is obviously poor, the other miss in the 1st half was a hard chance to take on I like him a lot, still raw, still developing but he's made a huge difference to us Got a great 1st touch at times too bringing down long balls And ill have to go back and watch it but I'm sure Jack's penalty vs West ham last season was very similar He drifts a lot on the wing. It wont suprise me if he plays on the left when wes is back. He can be frustrating at times as often will play a poor pass at something so simple. Jurys still out for me as he is abit inconsistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I think this season he would be much more suited to a 5-3-2 or 4-1-2-1-2 alongside Wes or Davis. Leading the line alone in his first season is too much of an ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: He drifts a lot on the wing. It wont suprise me if he plays on the left when wes is back. He can be frustrating at times as often will play a poor pass at something so simple. Jurys still out for me as he is abit inconsistent Even if he used to play on the wing for Brentford, I can't see him there at this level. Andre Green vibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: He drifts a lot on the wing. It wont suprise me if he plays on the left when wes is back. He can be frustrating at times as often will play a poor pass at something so simple. Jurys still out for me as he is abit inconsistent I think he has to because that's where the space is for him, don't start central in between 2 6ft 5" CBs and a 40 yard pass aimed at your chest cos it's not going to work Jack drifts, defender follows him Ollie takes up the space and then works in from there, it makes sense Agree he's inconsistent but think that's the step up and his age, if he was a 28 year old with 10 PL seasons to his name then I'd be worried, couple of years and he'll be as fondly thought of as Benteke, Carew, angel etc he'll get 10+ goals this year if he stays fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Missed a pen but overall he did ok and we would be playing a different tune if that late goal had stood, in which he showed great strength to get on the end of the cross. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I think he has to because that's where the space is for him, don't start central in between 2 6ft 5" CBs and a 40 yard pass aimed at your chest cos it's not going to work Jack drifts, defender follows him Ollie takes up the space and then works in from there, it makes sense Agree he's inconsistent but think that's the step up and his age, if he was a 28 year old with 10 PL seasons to his name then I'd be worried, couple of years and he'll be as fondly thought of as Benteke, Carew, angel etc he'll get 10+ goals this year if he stays fit Still think it was a big miss not getting in a Wilson type aswell. Not sure why we just gave up on another striker once he went to Newcastle. Now Davis has gone missing from 18 again it's not convincing enough options to throw on Traore and AEG as the plan B options as both have plenty to prove still. Hopefully get one in January. We must have the fewest set of strikers in premier league? Chelsea only play one upfront yet they had Werner wide of Abraham and Giroud and Pulisic to put on at the weekend so I don't get this argument we don't need another striker especially if Wes isn't coming back until March now. Edited November 30, 2020 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 It's almost weird how he's scored so many goals for how nervous he is constantly. Looks like he's shitting himself all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: It's almost weird how he's scored so many goals for how nervous he is constantly. Looks like he's shitting himself all the time. I don't see him like this at all. He comes across as confident and hard working for me. His general play is good. Shame about the penalty though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tom_avfc Posted December 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2020 It’s funny how small the margins are. His penalty that is described as horrific in this thread is the width of half the crossbar away from being a perfect, unstoppable penalty. Better players than Watkins have missed penalties and it could have been any of our other players who missed it to. The fact that he managed to grab himself a goal before the end of the game showed a good response even if it was ruled out in the end. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rolta said: I don't see him like this at all. He comes across as confident and hard working for me. His general play is good. Shame about the penalty though. Hard working yes. Not confident for me. He often stumbles on the ball or breaks down moves because he doesn't seem assured and is panicking. It doesn't fit with his personality or his goal tally, which is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: It’s funny how small the margins are. His penalty that is described as horrific in this thread is the width of half the crossbar away from being a perfect, unstoppable penalty. Better players than Watkins have missed penalties and it could have been any of our other players who missed it to. The fact that he managed to grab himself a goal before the end of the game showed a good response even if it was ruled out in the end. There was no need though. He hits penalty exactly like he did v Southampton and he scores. I always think if player is a little unsure in himself on penalties he should just go down the middle as keeper will pretty much always dive. Troy Deeney seems to do that every single penalty and scores the vast majority of his. Ashley Young also tended to do it if he'd missed one recently for us. Edited December 1, 2020 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, VillaChris said: There was no need though. He hits penalty exactly like he did v Southampton and he scores. I always think if player is a little unsure in himself on penalties he should just go down the middle as keeper will pretty much always dive. Troy Deeney seems to do that every single penalty and scores the vast majority of his. Literally the most likely position to score. But if you do end up missing you look like an absolute mug. Our players need to be able to do either Lewandowskis run up or the Fernandes/jorghinho penalty where they do the weird jump before shooting. It catches keepers off guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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