tom_avfc Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, VillaChris said: There was no need though. He hits penalty exactly like he did v Southampton and he scores. I always think if player is a little unsure in himself on penalties he should just go down the middle as keeper will pretty much always dive. Troy Deeney seems to do that every single penalty and scores the vast majority of his. Ashley Young also tended to do it if he'd missed one recently for us. Each to their own but I’d rather have a penalty taker who picks his corner and tries to hit it. Like you say he got it right against Southampton. He’s missed it fractionally tonight. I just don’t think it’s a horrific way to miss a penalty. He’s not gone for a Panenka like Lookman did or tried to be to clever. He’s backed himself to stick it in the top right corner and missed it by the smallest margin. If he’d put that penalty down the middle and the keeper had stood still he’d have been slaughtered on here for not going hard into a corner. It’s a bad penalty because he’s missed it but I wouldn’t go as far as calling it horrific. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) I feel sorry for him, we need to remember that he is 9 games into a Premier League season. Doesn't get much service and is battling with some powerful bastards for scraps alot. We do need someone else to rotate with him , take pressure off or play alongside him, but I'm worried that he seems to be slowly entering scapegoat territory. Edited December 1, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I think Watkins has some talent so it’s upsetting to see him playing in a system that suits him so I badly. Maybe the problem is, there isn’t a system. With the current approach, there is little chance of him having the impact that I think he could. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tom_avfc Posted December 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, briny_ear said: I think Watkins has some talent so it’s upsetting to see him playing in a system that suits him so I badly. Maybe the problem is, there isn’t a system. With the current approach, there is little chance of him having the impact that I think he could. He’s scored today (albeit overruled by a bit of a nonsense decision) and should have had an assist if Trezeguet could finish the easiest of chances. The system today saw us completely dominate a game of football and probably deserve to win the game by two or three goals. The system that we play has seen Watkins score 6 in 9 games so far this season. At his current scoring rate he’s on for 25 this season. Im not sure what impact he could have in your eyes. Sometimes it seems like people see what they want to see and base opinions purely on results without taking the performances into account. 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Took the goal well. Has a poor record from pens so surprised he’s on them, but it wasn’t the worst pen ever. He actually had a chance he should’ve done better with, we’d had some good build up around the box, a couple of one twos, Trez burst through but Watkins took it off him and side footed a half volley just wide. Should hit the target there. There is obviously some talent there. Probably needs to rotate out the team at times like Wes last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: He’s scored today (albeit overruled by a bit of a nonsense decision) and should have had an assist if Trezeguet could finish the easiest of chances. The system today saw us completely dominate a game of football and probably deserve to win the game by two or three goals. The system that we play has seen Watkins score 6 in 9 games so far this season. At his current scoring rate he’s on for 25 this season. Im not sure what impact he could have in your eyes. Sometimes it seems like people see what they want to see and base opinions purely on results without taking the performances into account. Well I agre that Watkins has played really well on occasions - that was the starting pint of my comment. I did watch the game tonight and thought Watkins was fairly peripheral. I’m sure we could make more of his abilities than we did this evening. But, as you say, people watch the game and take what they want from it, so I suppose there is a different narrative in which he played a leading role in a game in which our system helped us to a 1-2 defeat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, briny_ear said: Well I agre that Watkins has played really well on occasions - that was the starting pint of my comment. I did watch the game tonight and thought Watkins was fairly peripheral. I’m sure we could make more of his abilities than we did this evening. But, as you say, people watch the game and take what they want from it, so I suppose there is a different narrative in which he played a leading role in a game in which our system helped us to a 1-2 defeat Yeah, but it really doesn't negate Tom's points does it? His goal has been ruled out by yet another bullshit decision and he should have an assist to his name but Trez couldn't finish his dinner. The result is down to shite defending, not getting end product out of Watkins, because his goal should stand and Trez is a flake. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Humanoid said: He needs to be put to practicing penalties for the next week with a coach shouting at him "hard and low" before he takes each one so he doesnt forget. I was literally repeating this when he was lining up the pen, it's so annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkiller1981 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 We could get potentially 8-10 penalties this season, we can’t afford to have a penalty taker that has a 33% success rate. It worried me before he took it that sky showed he misses more than he scores. Taking penalties is a specialist job look at Man Utd they have a guy in Fernandes who only scores penalties and no other type of goal because that’s his job 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I just don't get why we have him on them. Brentford fans were pretty vocal about him being poor at it. Why would it have changed at a new club? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, KenjiOgiwara said: I just don't get why we have him on them. Brentford fans were pretty vocal about him being poor at it. Why would it have changed at a new club? Jack gave him the one against Southampton because they both wanted him to keep scoring - it was an on the pitch decision, which Smith should now put right by giving it to someone more clinical. Either Jack, Douglas, or Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Unlucky with the penalty and scored a perfectly valid goal. I’m happy with Watkins’ performances so far in a Villa shirt, he’s not perfect but you can see the qualities he brings to the team. I’m sure those being overly critical have forgotten what it was like with last seasons striking options. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said: Jack gave him the one against Southampton because they both wanted him to keep scoring - it was an on the pitch decision, which Smith should now put right by giving it to someone more clinical. Either Jack, Douglas, or Barkley. Yep. I don't rate Conor one bit, but he must be alright at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Yep. I don't rate Conor one bit, but he must be alright at it. Yeah, I thought of him too, but he won't be chosen because he won't play enough, so ideally it should be a regular to help him build confidence in himself in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Yep. I don't rate Conor one bit, but he must be alright at it. Didnt he just come off before the penalty? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Surprised it hasnt been mentioned as much but his honesty cost us a 2nd penalty. Other players would have went down but he wanted to score which he technically did. Modern Football for you 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 7 hours ago, tom_avfc said: He’s scored today (albeit overruled by a bit of a nonsense decision) and should have had an assist if Trezeguet could finish the easiest of chances. The system today saw us completely dominate a game of football and probably deserve to win the game by two or three goals. The system that we play has seen Watkins score 6 in 9 games so far this season. At his current scoring rate he’s on for 25 this season. Im not sure what impact he could have in your eyes. Sometimes it seems like people see what they want to see and base opinions purely on results without taking the performances into account. Yes, but then you can't criticise the manager you really want to criticise if you don't ignore all this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Yes, but then you can't criticise the manager you really want to criticise if you don't ignore all this. Hilariously, another poster who was firmly pro-Bruce so has never been interested in giving Smith a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Zatman said: Didnt he just come off before the penalty? Dunno. Switched off when we put AEG on. Edit. Apparently it was prior that. Not sure where my mind was yesterday. Think it broke when I had to assemble Danish furniture from hell. Edited December 1, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 57 minutes ago, Zatman said: Surprised it hasnt been mentioned as much but his honesty cost us a 2nd penalty. Other players would have went down but he wanted to score which he technically did. Modern Football for you Yeah, this is incredibly frustrating. I dont if VAR didnt look for the foul as they had only been asked to check the offside. Or maybe they did look at the foul but came to the conclusion it couldn't have been one because he still managed to put the ball in the net. Or maybe they got so distracted by the 4 minutes it took to come to the offside decision that they didn't check for the foul. Total farce whatever route the officials reviewing the footage took. It's annoying without VAR because you get incorrect game changing decisions. Its annoying with it because you still get incorrect game changing decisions but also a rigid enforcement of a currently flawed offside rule that allows subjectivity in to the decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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