Johnnyp Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Worrying if true. Move him out, McDonald that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I'd say there's no chance he survives his name in the papers for bullying academy players. It would be bad enough for recruitment, even if it weren't apparently putting our Category One status under threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Can't say I'm surprised. All sorts went on under Lerner, couldn't stand him when he was interim manager either seems like the Dr is trying to improve it but it's time to get rid as going forward it will just harm the club reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted March 1, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2017 This is a strange one - Kevin MacDonald has been coaching our youngsters for well over 20 years, he's very highly thought of in the game and is generally regarded as one of the country's top youth coaches. He's always been a sergeant major figure and he's strict and a shouter - but one complaint in 22 years doesn't necessarily mean he's suddenly a bully and someone who can't be trusted to work with young players. I'm more than prepared to wait for the club's response on this before making any sort of judgement. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Hmm if this is true and I question whether it is without evidence. But if it's true he should be sacked immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) We got rid of a lot of staff last year. It's related. If Kmac was involved I assume he'd have gone then aswell. Reading this I wouldn't be surprised if as with a lot of kids these days they want to be wrapped in cotton wool. Throwing the term bullying around nullifies the affect when it actually happens. Being told you're not good enough isn't bullying. If KMAC uses the same standard across the group it's not bullying. Edited March 1, 2017 by dn1982 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Gotta go after this. We should not tolerate this type of behaviour or make excuses for him. He has been accused of bullying, and after an inquiry we've been found to be guilty of some major faults to do with player welfare and treatment. How can he stay on ? Why should he stay on ? Sorry Kevin but your time is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Usually most youngsters coming through have nothing but praise for him... unusual this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul33 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Needs to be investigated by the club but IF he's guilty, we should get rid as good coach though he is, bullies are scum and I don't want them involved with my club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Hmm if this is true and I question whether it is without evidence. But if it's true he should be sacked immediately The whole business about trying to eliminate bullying from football has to deal with the logical conclusion, that if it is a very bad thing to be a victim of bullying then it has to be worse to participate in bullying. Having established that moral imperative it is impossible to deny that what goes on, a lot of the time at Villa games, definitely amounts to bullying from the crowd of individuals playing the game. Therefore, based upon that, no child should be allowed to attend a game because they are exposed to a situation where the adults normalise bullying behaviour which the child is bound to learn and to emulate. Bullying is rarely condemned by football fans and is considered perfectly acceptable by many. I am not sure you can have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted March 1, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, thabucks said: Gotta go after this. We should not tolerate this type of behaviour or make excuses for him. He has been accused of bullying, and after an inquiry we've been found to be guilty of some major faults to do with player welfare and treatment. How can he stay on ? Why should he stay on ? Sorry Kevin but your time is up. After what? What has he said? Do you have it on tape? I could accuse you of insulting other VT members, doesn't mean it happened. Think I'll wait for the evidence to come out rather than make an instant judgement on a well respected and praised coach of 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 no smoke without fire but id like to know who the kid is, i doubt very much that it was one who starts every game and has a shot of breaking through to the first team it was traditionally meant to be an incredibly hard culture, the games changed, maybe he hasn't, that story doesnt automatically mean we should sack him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 5 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: This is a strange one - Kevin MacDonald has been coaching our youngsters for well over 20 years, he's very highly thought of in the game and is generally regarded as one of the country's top youth coaches. He's always been a sergeant major figure and he's strict and a shouter - but one complaint in 22 years doesn't necessarily mean he's suddenly a bully and someone who can't be trusted to work with young players. I'm more than prepared to wait for the club's response on this before making any sort of judgement. Seems more likely someone at the PL has justify the job they do. Don't ever accuse players of not being tough enough - if we are going around sacking coaches because they shout at players. Jesus wept - what would Sammy Morgan and Andy Lochead think - football is in a very sorry state IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 30 years ago sexual predators kept their jobs at some football clubs. Now it seems K Mac could potentially go because he shouts at players.... I don't know what else to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 The U18s beat Swansea 3-2 at Bodymoor Heath today, that's all the information I have, Noel the man I usually go with had work today, so I couldn't go sadly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 1, 2017 16 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: 30 years ago sexual predators kept their jobs at some football clubs. Now it seems K Mac could potentially go because he shouts at players.... I don't know what else to say. Not just that. But it is alleged by one father of one player, over a career spanning 2 decades, and some want him gone without evidence Do me a **** favour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 It seems to be a bit more severe than that . . . it's made the newspaper and the intimation is that our Category One status is at risk. That's not trivial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Jack Clarke, Jake Doyle-Hayes and Mitchell Clark scored for the U18s, there's a report on the OS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, BOF said: Not just that. But it is alleged by one father of one player, over a career spanning 2 decades, and some want him gone without evidence Do me a **** favour. 19 hours ago, Avfc96 said: a Premier League inquiry found “evidence of bullying, aggressive behaviour and unacceptable language” by Kevin MacDonald, The article says that the Prem did an inquiry and found that... so it doesn't look like it's just the case of a kid said [whatever] and..... I'd assume (maybe wrongly) that KM would have had a chance to talk to the inquiry people, and so on. It wouldn't just be the Prem going on an unsubstantiated allegation and deciding to potentially end someone's career based just on that. i.e. it's clearly reported there is evidence. That said, inquiries aren't always even handed and fair, and sometimes can err on one side or another. I'm not saying KM has done anything wrong, only that the report states that it was an evidence based inquiry that found evidence to support a complaint and..etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Bullying is never a palatable subject, but it has to put in to context too. In an environment where physical contact plays an integral part....bullying can be misconstrued and misjudged. Its a mans game and that must be preserved..... a full investigation is the only answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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