Generic Virus Thread

[snowychap]

I think this whole thing shows just how poor and uprepared a lot of areas and companies are.

The same, inflexible procedures are being worked through as would be 'in normal times' yet with the rider that 'in these times' we have to understand blah, blah, blah.

I really feel for the individuals on the front line who seem once again shafted by the management behind them.

Yet, as you try to access a service (in this case a utility supplier for a potential loss of gas supply), it would appear that pretty much everyone in Malvern (by the movement on my road outside) is going about their daily business without a care for any public health advice that has been given.

[ml1dch]

2 minutes ago, snowychap said:

It would appear that pretty much everyone in Malvern (by the movement on my road outside) is going about their daily business without a care for any public health advice that has been given.

My neighbours decided to have a big Mother's Day celebration yesterday.  She's an unwell smoker in her fifties, so her four adult children decided to fill the house and garden with their families. 

Was probably 20 or so people milling around enjoying the sunshine. Never been so glad for an eight foot fence. 

[mjmooney]

6 hours ago, KentVillan said:

My Spanish isn’t perfect but I think this translation is basically accurate:

No, it isn't genocide - use a dictionary you silly cow. It's triage. It's what medics do in any major incident (and especially in war, which is effectively what this is). Doctors have to make life-and-death decisions every day. You can't save everybody - and that means you have to choose who dies. It's horrible, but it's always been part of the job. And I speak as an over 65. I've had a great life. Obviously, I'd like to have a lot more of it - but if it's really a 50/50 choice between saving me, or some young person who has their life in front of them, then... save them, they're the future. Just give me the morphine first, though, please. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by mjmooney

[Kingman]

One-in-THREE positive coronavirus tests are from 'silent carriers' who show NO symptoms, classified Chinese government data suggests

• Scientists are unable to agree on how infectious people with no symptoms are
• Studies suggest that carriers with no symptoms could still be highly infectious
• Earlier WHO statements playing down the risk of infection from asymptomatic people who test positive for the virus are now being challenged by researchers
• Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8140551/A-coronavirus-cases-silent-carriers-classified-Chinese-data-suggests.html 

[LondonLax]

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[LakotaDakota]

1 hour ago, Jon said:

How's your sleeping? I'm struggling a bit because I keep jolting awake when I struggle for a breath.  My breathing isn't too bad when I'm awake, because I can self regulate it. I can consciously take correct breaths.  But not when asleep.  

Honestly not the best person to check this with as any sort of measure. I barely sleep, never have. Lucky to get more than 4 hours sleep per day. Can't say I have noticed much difference once I am asleep but do seem to be waking up earlier although I would usually put this down to it being lighter in the morning

[Kingman]

Rishi Sunak to announce cash bail-out for five million self-employed Britons facing coronavirus ruin - after promise to cover 80% of laid-off workers' incomes 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8140991/Rishi-Sunaks-multi-billion-pound-rescue-package-self-employed.html?fbclid=IwAR3mUY3HNDEC1nFzzkxNUWFyGt26AiUPLDuX7MhfNz8n9E2zCKnlIRuxqgM 

 

[Awol]

53 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

My neighbours decided to have a big Mother's Day celebration yesterday.  She's an unwell smoker in her fifties, so her four adult children decided to fill the house and garden with their families. 

Was probably 20 or so people milling around enjoying the sunshine. Never been so glad for an eight foot fence. 

That’s grounds for a drone strike.

[StefanAVFC]

Pound and Euro are nearly level.

Mad.

[HanoiVillan]

Trouble in paradise?

 

[villan-scott]

2 hours ago, SuperTed said:

Appreciate this has probably been mentioned earlier in the thread but just wanted to ask a question of those who may be in a country in lockdown or know someone who is: What will they do with office spaces if we do go into full lockdown? I work for a bank (low level, please don’t judge me) and we naturally have a high number of callers at the moment worried about mortgages, loans, etc. Do these premises remain open? I imagine they do but if so, what measures are put in place? 

I work for a specialist mortgage lender. I won’t name them. 

We have now set up all phones to divert to staff at home. We’ve implemented a whole new phone system just to do this. If someone calls the office, whether it’s a new sales enquiry, customer service anything, they’re diverted to staff working from home. 

We employ about 1500 people, and the office is being manned by 10 people now doing the things that couldn’t be done from home. 

I imagine all lenders and large offices will adopt a similar process, or already have. 

Volumes of calls are ridiculous due to the mortgage holiday stuff. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by villan-scott

[KentVillan]

57 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

No, it isn't genocide - use a dictionary you silly cow. It's triage. It's what medics do in any major incident (and especially in war, which is effectively what this is). Doctors have to make life-and-death decisions every day. You can't save everybody - and that means you have to choose who dies. It's horrible, but it's always been part of the job. And I speak as an over 65. I've had a great life. Obviously, I'd like to have a lot more of it - but if it's really a 50/50 choice between saving me, or some young person who has their life in front of them, then... save them, they're the future. Just give me the morphine first, though, please. 

She is just translating, word for word, what that Spanish doctor is saying in the video. He clearly says “genocidio” (sounds like Hey-no-see-dio).

[HanoiVillan]

 

[lapal_fan]

Yesterday, I was pretty depressed from my experience of the NHS hour at Tesco.

I got there at 8.40, and there was a large queue of cars trying to get on the car park.  "No worries" I thought, I can park on an over spill just over from the petrol station - I'd only gone to pick up some fruit and veg as I'd not been able to get any from my local shops which I've been using.

Parked the car, walked over and there was a queue from the doors (on the very right hand side of Tesco building), stretching the entire width of the superstore and back to the rear of the car park.

Must have been 400+ people in line. 

I thought they weren't all NHS Staff until one couple in a car trying to park drove past shouting "YOU'RE ALL MAD!! GO HOME!! I BET YOU'RE NOT EVEN NHS!", at which point everyone within ear shot flashed their NHS staff cards and some were screaming back "I'VE JUST FINISHED A 12 HOUR SHIFT THANK YOU VERY MUCH!".

But the thing that shook me most, was - apart from myself and maybe 3 others in this 400+ line - none of them were keeping any distance, whatsoever. 

Groups of 4-7 people, chatting, laughing, joking, bumping into other people when half a step was taken.. I had 2 people immediately behind me, cough without even a hand to catch it.  

I heard this sentence "ahh well, if you're gonna catch it, you're gonna catch ay ya?". 

THIS IS NHS STAFF!!!

Every person in that line, from cleaners (which I believe I was stood near) to Consultants/Dr's etc has had to do some level of Infection Control training.  All of the people in that line would have signed off on taking that training.

If the people who work in hospitals, and have been trained how to limit infection/disease spreading - how the **** are we meant to get through to anyone else? 

I stood in that queue for 20 mins, really deliberating whether to continue.  A couple of coughs later, probably onto my coat, and I walked away.  

It was at this point, I knew we're going to be in a way worse situation than I imagined.  

I was in Worcester on Friday, helping a colleague of mine count ventilators onsite and I spoke to him about the capacity Worcester has in it's pure oxygen tanks, because a new building is being tapped into the current pipework - my colleague was somewhat edgy if BOC gas can supply the site with the anticipated required amounts of O2, and I know that whilst there are Ventilators on site, there are some already used in the ICU wards (which I went onto) and a few in reserve. 

It was only last week I was quietly confident we could beat this thing with good advice.  When I see NHS Staff ignoring it and being thick about it, my confidence quickly evaporated. 

People need to get their shit together, because it's completely unfair on the Dr's and nurses to have to make decisions on who lives and who dies - which will be the case if we keep arsing around. 

Stay indoors for a few days, it's not hard ffs. 

[mjmooney]

8 minutes ago, KentVillan said:

She is just translating, word for word, what that Spanish doctor is saying in the video. He clearly says “genocidio” (sounds like Hey-no-see-dio).

Well it's still an inappropriate word, if the way the Spanish use it is the same as English. But it kind of illustrates what I was saying about the moral pressures on doctors in these situations. I said that they've always had to do it - I didn't say they don't find it upsetting, of course they do. We'll probably see a PTSD epidemic somewhere down the line. 

[choffer]

Thanks for the update @lapal_fan , however bleak it is to read.
And thanks for the work you’re doing. Supporting cast in this instance are just as important as the headliners. 

[Genie]

1 hour ago, Kingman said:

Rishi Sunak to announce cash bail-out for five million self-employed Britons facing coronavirus ruin - after promise to cover 80% of laid-off workers' incomes 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8140991/Rishi-Sunaks-multi-billion-pound-rescue-package-self-employed.html?fbclid=IwAR3mUY3HNDEC1nFzzkxNUWFyGt26AiUPLDuX7MhfNz8n9E2zCKnlIRuxqgM 

 

This could be awkward, if self employed people are to get 80% of their previously declared/taxable earnings they might realise they're better off with universal credit...

The government will be left wondering how so many of them have been surviving on £7k a year...

Edited March 23, 2020 by Genie

[lapal_fan]

4 minutes ago, choffer said:

Thanks for the update @lapal_fan , however bleak it is to read.
And thanks for the work you’re doing. Supporting cast in this instance are just as important as the headliners. 

I'm just an Energy & Sustainability Manager working for a company who supports the Trust in FM.  I understand what you're saying, but I am not one to be thanked.  Our team of engineers, help desk staff, loading bay, Technical Services Managers etc are the people to be thankful (as well as Dr's/Nurses/Cleaners etc).  Honestly, some of them are quite worried about this (understandably), but they are still going in to do their jobs.  

This is happening all over the country and it would be easy for electricians/heating engineers to get a better paid job elsewhere, without all the risk, but they still turn up.  Quite the team at Worcester  

[DCJonah]

1 hour ago, lapal_fan said:

Yesterday, I was pretty depressed from my experience of the NHS hour at Tesco.I got there at 8.40, and there was a large queue of cars trying to get on the car park. 

It was only last week I was quietly confident we could beat this thing with good advice.  When I see NHS Staff ignoring it and being thick about it, my confidence quickly evaporated. 

People need to get their shit together, because it's completely unfair on the Dr's and nurses to have to make decisions on who lives and who dies - which will be the case if we keep arsing around. 

Stay indoors for a few days, it's not hard ffs. 

Very different experience to my wife at sainsbury this morning. 

She went at 7.30 and said cars were parking away from each other as much as possible. Every nhs worker was given a bouquet of flowers after showing their pass on entry. 

My wife said it was fairly busy but you could tell everyone was NHS. It was very subdued and people being sensible and keeping their distance. 

Hopefully more like this and less like the one you had to go to.

[LondonLax]