leighavfc Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: So, this from an 86 year old I know. I can socialise with friends, or I can sit alone for 6 months worrying. I’m 86, I’d rather share a meal with family than watch tv alone. What is the point of an arthritic 86 year old getting to 87 in isolation? Now that’s not for everyone. But it is for some. We’re a country that’s chosen free choice over control from church or state or facebook. We’re a country where one size does not fit all and we need to see a few perspectives. If you have circumstances that mean you cannot mix with that 86 year old, stay away. Do not tell her to stay indoors and hope she’s remembered. I had a coffee with an old man yesterday, Ray, he lives in a flat above that coffee shop and it’s his life. It’s why he moved there. Should I tell him he has to go back up stairs and stay there? I’ll tell the staff they need to explain to the Landlord they’ll be paying no rent until August or September? Perhaps they could go and live with Ray? It’s really complicated, we’re going to all have to be personally careful of others and respectful of others. I dont disagree with keep some sort of normality to life during this, or at least as much as possible. Ray buying a coffee a day or whatever will not cause many businesses to go under, it will also be the rest of the people who also visit that coffee shop. If they dont turn up aswell then I totally agree. My point being if churches are open then it only takes one elderly person to carry it into a church and effectively infect the rest if the church. Many church gatherings will be 20/30/40 people +, majority of these being in the at biggest risk group. This will lead to unnecessary deaths in my opinion. They closed football off which in the majority is a younger audience than the elderly at risk group of people. Yes more people but on the whole, but majority will be "less risk people". Again I agree with football being closed off but would think that Churches are an unnecessary gathering of high risk people. This include my nan btw who visits and helps at the church regularly each week. As you say it's difficult and we have to respect peoples wishes, I just dont see the point of it at the moment personally. Mind I never have understood the point of religion anyway!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 9 hours ago, KentVillan said: This won't cheer you up, but it is very interesting It goes some way to explaining the debate that would have underpinned the UK government's approach. It suggests that "lockdown" might not be much more than a short-term fix, and that factoring in the economy might make sense from a clinical standpoint. This chart is of course very depressing: There is likely to be an enormous rush of spending after the first wave of this pandemic is over, and everybody will want to talk about literally anything else I would imagine, but we are really going to need to hold the government's feet to the fire about a] creating more ICU capacity before winter, b] setting up more capacity to manufacture ventilators and other emergency medical equipment *in this country*, even if it's not able to be done at a competitive price, c] training as many ICU nurses as possible before winter, d] passing more generous legislation around paid sick leave and supporting individuals and businesses. We need to be operating on the assumption that this will come back, even harder, and not get overly relieved and complacent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 The problem I have with the approach is how will we know when we have the “spike”? We aren’t exactly testing people so are we unfortunately going to go off the number of death numbers? The numbers reported are inaccurate as not everyone is getting tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Genie said: That’s how I understand it. Until we see a huge spike and the health service gets overrun well keep going as we are. That may not require a huge spike unfortunately. I can't find where I saw it now, but there was a report from one hospital in London with just 18 Covid patients that they're 'drowning' and increasingly unable to cope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2020 52 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: When you hear the health secretary answer a question of how many ventilators do we need to manufacture and he says as many as we can, they have no figure that will be enough, and if we could make enough then we can ship them abroad then it tells you all you need to know about how bad this is going to get. This is what REALLY scares me. Most of us can ride out fever with anti-inflammatory drugs (always assuming there's enough of THEM to go round). But death by asphyxiation due to not enough oxygen/ventilators... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, Xela said: I have a plan You know it makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, MCU said: Yep, and for some time now (way before this all kicked off) I began warming to Thanos’ logic to be honest, perhaps that’s why I’m less sympathetic to this situation than others, I dislike the human race, bottom line, and if something comes along to eradicate a portion of it well I guess I just don’t care that much, sorry if that offends some of your senses. Anyway, I’ll duck out of this thread as I’m obviously in a minority of one and some of you guys have done a fine job in turning this thread into something more akin to a pre-apocalypse support group on Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Genie said: Just pop to your local shop, everyone I’ve been to last few days has had stock This is what I’ve just resorted to and I was able to buy some. Not in Sainsburys, Waitrose or Wilkinson though...nah. Their shelves were completely stripped of everything tissue paper related (toilet rolls, kitchen roll, face tissues, wet wipes and so on). My local shop, though, must have had about ten packs of Andrex (of which I bought one because I’m not a word removed). Edited March 15, 2020 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Some stuff here about SSP and people on 0 hours contracts: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Just now, bannedfromHandV said: Yep, and for some time now (way before this all kicked off) I began warming to Thanos’ logic to be honest, perhaps that’s why I’m less sympathetic to this situation than others, I dislike the human race, bottom line, and if something comes along to eradicate a portion of it well I guess I just don’t care that much, sorry if that offends some of your senses. Anyway, I’ll duck out of this thread as I’m obviously in a minority of one and some of you guys have done a fine job in turning this thread into something more akin to a pre-apocalypse support group on Facebook. I think you need help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, Genie said: Just pop to your local shop, everyone I’ve been to last few days has had stock Second this. Managed to get some pasta this way. Now selling it on eBay for mass profits $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, mjmooney said: This is what REALLY scares me. Most of us can ride out fever with anti-inflammatory drugs (always assuming there's enough of THEM to go round). But death by asphyxiation due to not enough oxygen/ventilators... Just FYI Mike, the French Health Ministry are telling their public not to use anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen if they get C-19 because it lowers the natural immune system. They’re advising paracetamol only for controlling the fever. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OutByEaster? Posted March 15, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Spain have reported just one new case today. Does that lend a bit of weight to the idea that what we're doing might work? I'm not 100% sure I've understood our approach, but I think we're allowing infection to reach a certain level then stopping it through enforced quarantine allowing the health services to recover before a second wave. The Spain number suggest that might work (at least until the second wave of infection.) Scrap all of that - Spain must report in stages - they've reported an additional 1,362 cases today. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, Awol said: Just FYI Mike, the French Health Ministry are telling their public not to use anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen if they get C-19 because it lowers the natural immune system. They’re advising paracetamol only for controlling the fever. Yeah, I read that. Paracetamol is getting hard to come by, which is pissing me off because I currently have a bout of sciatica causing pretty bad pain down one leg. Paracetamol is way the best thing to alleviate it. I don't take it during the day, but at night it's absolutely essential, as lying down makes the pain worse, and I inevitably have to take a couple of tabs at about 3 am. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Genie said: Just pop to your local shop, everyone I’ve been to last few days has had stock Same here. Remaining commuters should repurpose the 'Metro'. It's finally fit to wipe your arse on. Remember and take the staples out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Scrap all of that - Spain must report in stages - they've reported an additional 1,362 cases today. My bad. I have been locked in my hotel on my last day in Spain 600 euro fine if u decide to go wandering about You can only cross the road to the pharmacy Luckily I’m at an all inclusive resort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 15, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted March 15, 2020 Austria bans gatherings of more than five people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, KHV said: I have been locked in my hotel on my last day in Spain 600 euro fine if u decide to go wandering about You can only cross the road to the pharmacy Luckily I’m at an all inclusive resort £600.00 fine, how the hell can they legalise that. You'd get the snowflakes on a facebook/twitter mission if that's brought here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: £600.00 fine, how the hell can they legalise that. You'd get the snowflakes on a facebook/twitter mission if that's brought here. Well, we'll have the chance to see if your prediction is correct very very soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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