Popular Post blandy Posted May 20, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2021 15 hours ago, MrBlack said: I may be on my own in thinking the mistake for the goal wasn't that bad... fair enough, he should have down better with his control, but it was a harshly punished miscontrol given where he was when he picked it up. I agree with you. Hause cleared the ball with his weaker right foot, straight on to the head of a Spurs player who headed it back forwards, and (our) goal side of Nakamba, who had another Spurs player right next to him. He was faced with a ball at an awkward height going behind him with a man on. Ideally he'd have hooked it back up field, but it wasn't a howler caused just by him. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted May 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, villalad21 said: He's also not match fit which would explain why he looks so rusty on the ball. We only used 11 players first half of the season and it came back to bite us in the second half of the season. You have a squad for a reason. You have to use it to keep everyone fit and happy. Ferguson was the master at it. Sure he is rusty as is Hause and Jack ......He is one of the few players in the squad who can properly win the ball, sure his ball control is not great and awareness could be better... a better version would be welcome....but he does disrupt. but our pressing was better and our ability overall to get our foot in was an upgrade, to previous games.....We should get a top class one in and Marvellous be a squad player. Edited May 20, 2021 by TRO 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, blandy said: I agree with you. Hause cleared the ball with his weaker right foot, straight on to the head of a Spurs player who headed it back forwards, and (our) goal side of Nakamba, who had another Spurs player right next to him. He was faced with a ball at an awkward height going behind him with a man on. Ideally he'd have hooked it back up field, but it wasn't a howler caused just by him. Quite often when a player messes up its also the team that contribute to it as well along with plain old misfortune. In this instance it didn't look look like he got a shout from a team mate about the spurs player steaming towards him and to just row z the ball. It was badly controlled but also a bit unlucky. He responded really well though. Edited May 20, 2021 by birdman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, birdman said: Quite often when a player messes up its also the team that contribute to it as well along with plain old misfortune. In this instance it didn't look look like he got a shout from a team mate about the spurs player steaming towards him and to just row z the ball. It was badly controlled but also a bit unlucky. He responded really well though. I think we have to give Bergwijn a bit of credit here for such tenacity....SJM could have had an input too.....but it was so quick and in a dangerous place to concede a penalty.....Bergwijn did well and dispatched a wicked shot. Ollie equally pounced well for us too, so you have to accept sometimes the offensive element of the encounter. I thought Marvellous, threw off his set back well and went on to have a fine game....assist to boot. Edited May 21, 2021 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Nakamba has a role. He’s not a brilliant footballer and he isn’t going to beat 4/5 players with some silky skills. What he does do, is run around in front of that defence, trying to win the ball back and he’s very tenacious. We need a better DM than MN, no doubt about that, but one of the reasons I prefer him to Luiz is many regards is he has that outstanding attribute - winning the ball back. Luiz does a lot of things ok. Passing, dribbling, tackling, but is a master of none. It’s a team game and when you have Nakamba in the side, there is an argument that we look more balanced as a result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 On 20/05/2021 at 00:06, MrBlack said: I may be on my own in thinking the mistake for the goal wasn't that bad... fair enough, he should have down better with his control, but it was a harshly punished miscontrol given where he was when he picked it up. Not saying it was Nakamba plan but we were dreadful in the 1st 10 minutes that conceding actually benefitted us and woke us up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Nakamba has a role. He’s not a brilliant footballer and he isn’t going to beat 4/5 players with some silky skills. What he does do, is run around in front of that defence, trying to win the ball back and he’s very tenacious. We need a better DM than MN, no doubt about that, but one of the reasons I prefer him to Luiz is many regards is he has that outstanding attribute - winning the ball back. Luiz does a lot of things ok. Passing, dribbling, tackling, but is a master of none. It’s a team game and when you have Nakamba in the side, there is an argument that we look more balanced as a result. I disagree, I think Luiz's touch, calmness under pressure, and weight of passing are pretty special. You don't catch Guardiola's attention without those attributes. But I do think Marvellous has a role here, as he really does have a knack for winning the ball back in midfield. He's definitely our best midfield ball winner. He's also very good at looking innocent and friendly when he's just wrecked someone, which is a useful quality for a DM. Horses for courses IMO. There are plenty of games where I just don't think we need Nakamba, and having Luiz's better passing is more important. There are other games where Nakamba can really help. In an ideal world we'd find a player with both their skillsets, but I don't think many (any?) of these exist in world football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 For me it's not a question who is the better player and I doubt it is in Smith's mind either, given Douglas starts 90% of games and Marv comes in usually during a busy schedule. Marvelous is probably at his best in a double-pivot which helps to alleviate the pressure but press him and he panics. Press Douglas and he doesn't bat an eyelid. Talk about breaking up the play but being press-proof in the modern game is more important as a DM than being able to run around imo. Douglas' positioning is fine, he just doesn't go chasing as much as Marv which has its merits. Personally would replace Marv in summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Nakamba has a role. He’s not a brilliant footballer and he isn’t going to beat 4/5 players with some silky skills. What he does do, is run around in front of that defence, trying to win the ball back and he’s very tenacious. We need a better DM than MN, no doubt about that, but one of the reasons I prefer him to Luiz is many regards is he has that outstanding attribute - winning the ball back. Luiz does a lot of things ok. Passing, dribbling, tackling, but is a master of none. It’s a team game and when you have Nakamba in the side, there is an argument that we look more balanced as a result. I totally agree. The likes of Marvellous and Kortney are not necessarily first team players, but important squad players for me.....I thought Kortney was instrumental in Tyrone having possibly his best game of the season.....Konsa -Hause- Mings impresses me in a back 3. Marvellous too has specialist attributes, not a great player, but an effective one at what he is best at. We need to be appreciative of the essence of a deeper squad if we have ambitions.....I would not look to selling him, or Kortney. Edited May 21, 2021 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete101 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Nakamba forever 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lexicon Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Wow - what a performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 After that game I am officially involuntarily renaming him Enormous Nakamba... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Just now, pete101 said: Nakamba forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 A glimpse of what a very good DM can bring to Aston Villa. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Phil Silvers said: A glimpse of what a very good DM can bring to Aston Villa. This is so true. Sort out centre mid and wide forwards and we are top 8 easily. Bert did quite well today but AEG was a total passenger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Fair play. Another great game. He's got a place in this first team next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Anyone suggesting we get rid...kick yourself in the head! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, avfc1982am said: Anyone suggesting we get rid...kick yourself in the head! I lost that type of flexibility a couple decades ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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