VillanousOne Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: I can't believe people on here prefer Elmo to Guilbert. Elmo showed his level when he came on the other week (I can't remember whether it was Wet Spam or Brighton) and Jack, I seem to remember, played a fantastic through ball. Elmo's first touch was harder than my shot!! it was the most pointless substitution ever from a losing position, he did feck all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: That's why Klopp plays three defensive CM'ers I guess. Full back is a balancing game and depends on how you link in with others. As has been discussed in several threads on VT, our midfield is pretty attack oriented and therefore we need our full backs to be a bit more defensive. Thats why, when you have both full backs and midfielders with a tendency to attack, it leaves the defensive side thin. i often refer to the balance.....and thats part of it. Edited December 11, 2020 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, barry'sboots said: I can't believe people on here prefer Elmo to Guilbert. Elmo showed his level when he came on the other week (I can't remember whether it was Wet Spam or Brighton) and Jack, I seem to remember, played a fantastic through ball. Elmo's first touch was harder than my shot!! Yeah, it does seem that last season was his last competent one at this level. Until that game I could see the logic of him over Guilbert on the bench, but if Elmo isn't putting decent balls into the box he is doing nothing. May be time he's dropped, Guilbert back to the bench. The suggestion a few posts back has sold me on the idea of Cash moving further forward with guilbert at right back, if we want to switch it up in a more defensive way, rather than bringing on Traore for Trez. Edited December 11, 2020 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 39 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Yeah, it does seem that last season was his last competent one at this level. Until that game I could see the logic of him over Guilbert on the bench, but if Elmo isn't putting decent balls into the box he is doing nothing. May be time he's dropped, Guilbert back to the bench. The suggestion a few posts back has sold me on the idea of Cash moving further forward with guilbert at right back, if we want to switch it up in a more defensive way, rather than bringing on Traore for Trez. We need AEM in our 18 as he's our current back up CB. Could see be room for Freddie aswell. If he dosen't feature at all over xmas he has no future here but then I suspect it's already been decided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 14 hours ago, VillaChris said: We need AEM in our 18 as he's our current back up CB. Could see be room for Freddie aswell. If he dosen't feature at all over xmas he has no future here but then I suspect it's already been decided. Should play next game with cash suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Cometh the hour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Big game for him. Although I have a feeling elmo might get the nod. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, MotoMkali said: Should play next game with cash suspended. Nah think AEM is a cert given it will be physical and Burnley will be pinging long crossfield diagonals all night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Elmo will play prob Fred is too rash defensively and he's crossing is poor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 hours ago, VillanousOne said: it was the most pointless substitution ever from a losing position, he did feck all I can see the logic behind it tbh, he has a very good delivery from deep crosses, we were chasing the game and we don't really create much from the right, so Deano wanted an extra outlet on that side in the final minutes of the game. Didn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Elmo will play prob Fred is too rash defensively and he's crossing is poor Burnley does indeed look more like a team which suits Elmo more than Freddy, deep crosses will probably be more useful than pure athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I fear Dean will play Elmo but I really hope Fred gets the nod. i don't buy this he's rash because he puts in sliding tackles stuff, Guilbert is really good at shutting down attacks. It becomes a case of sliding tackle that misses its mark and the player still crosses for a goal is a calamity, but the defender who doesn't slide in or prevent the cross gets no blame. I'd personally rather the attempt was made. He may have to temper his attacking runs though, as Cash clearly has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, WooJung said: Burnley does indeed look more like a team which suits Elmo more than Freddy, deep crosses will probably be more useful than pure athleticism. Burnley are good in the air. I don't think crossing is the way to go against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, VillanousOne said: I fear Dean will play Elmo but I really hope Fred gets the nod. i don't buy this he's rash because he puts in sliding tackles stuff, Guilbert is really good at shutting down attacks. It becomes a case of sliding tackle that misses its mark and the player still crosses for a goal is a calamity, but the defender who doesn't slide in or prevent the cross gets no blame. I'd personally rather the attempt was made. He may have to temper his attacking runs though, as Cash clearly has. Nothing to fear. Elmo is a perfectly fine back up right back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Big game for him. Although I have a feeling elmo might get the nod. Which in my opinion, would be the correct decision. Burnley will put balls in the box and have wood/Rodriguez attack them. Having a big man defending the back post, someone who is good in the air will be the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 For me he starts, as they will have Dwight McNeil on the left elmohamady won’t keep up with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Considering how bad our RW options seem to be I'm surprised we haven't tried Cash/Guilbert together, both have looked good going forward and it doesn't matter if one is caught out up the pitch as the other can cover. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, AndyM3000 said: Considering how bad our RW options seem to be I'm surprised we haven't tried Cash/Guilbert together, both have looked good going forward and it doesn't matter if one is caught out up the pitch as the other can cover. Exactly esp as Cash was a right winger till last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Nice to see him on the bench today. Think he starts next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, VillaChris said: Nah think AEM is a cert given it will be physical and Burnley will be pinging long crossfield diagonals all night. Guilbert is very good in the air he has a hell of a leap in him. Elmo is slow and weak. I don't get this notion of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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