Adam2003 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 08:55, M_Afro said: I hate the mentality of some people. This guy gets paid a huge amount. All he has to do is try his best. If his best isn’t good enough, which it hasn’t been so far, then we have to continue to pay his wages. All he has to do is keep trying to be good enough. He’s happy to have a bit of a moan about not playing but undoubtedly he won’t be happy to take a pay cut to ensure that he can get a game elsewhere. Keep your mouth shut son, work your socks off and try your best to get back in the team. In those quotes he basically says exactly what you’re saying there and says it’s up to him to fight for his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 53 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: Well I don't get it. For most of last season excluding jack he was one of our best players with perhaps mings on really challenging him. Frankly I think we have done him dirty. Was he?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Has Fred done something to annoy people recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 On 07/10/2020 at 09:41, MaVilla said: If we can't offload guilbert in this window, imo guilbert would be a better backup to targett than taylor, even without a left foot. Its that simple for me. I don’t really see this. Taylor’s biggest issue is is total lack of offensive input. His defending is fine. Guilbert has very little offensive input on the right side, what’s he going to offer on the left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Thug said: I don’t really see this. Taylor’s biggest issue is is total lack of offensive input. His defending is fine. Guilbert has very little offensive input on the right side, what’s he going to offer on the left? Guilbert, although not amazing, is simply better than taylor imo. (even at LB) if you think Taylor is ok defensively i would disagree unfortunately, seems a bit of a trope to me that Taylor is good defensively but poor going forward, where i think him being poor going forward and average/below average defensively, is probably closer to the point. the amount of time i have seen him fall on his face, miss a tackle, be in a poor position or get caught out defensively, i cant possibly agree he is good defensively, he's just better defensively than he is going forward, but thats nothing to shout about. When taylor gets released next summer, imo he will struggle to find a mid table championship side to take him, i think he will end up (probably) at a bang average championship side, because thats his level. Edited October 11, 2020 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: Was he?? He was our 3rd highest rated performer last season only Jack and John were better (and mcginn was really highly rated early in the season like an 8.2 up to week 10). We only won 1 game that he didn't play. The crystal palace game which we were a bit lucky to in my opinion as I think they had a goal wrongfully disallowed. Which could have changed the game. Guilbert also averaged 3 tackles won per game last season which is very impressive especially since it was his first year in England and we struggled too force teams into dead ends last season. Yes he turned off against Stoke but then he had played less than 300 minutes since restart prior to that game. No wonder he was rusty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: He was our 3rd highest rated performer last season only Jack and John were better (and mcginn was really highly rated early in the season like an 8.2 up to week 10). We only won 1 game that he didn't play. The crystal palace game which we were a bit lucky to in my opinion as I think they had a goal wrongfully disallowed. Which could have changed the game. Guilbert also averaged 3 tackles won per game last season which is very impressive especially since it was his first year in England and we struggled too force teams into dead ends last season. Yes he turned off against Stoke but then he had played less than 300 minutes since restart prior to that game. No wonder he was rusty. Whilst an individual player can not generally claim to have a material impact on a clubs form (Grealiah aside), it definitely goes to show he's not a weak link. Maybe the rating system values a tackle that stops a probable chance over an interception that prevents a probable chance, or something that rewards Guilbert's style of play more than it is actually worth in real terms, but I never felt worried about him compared with how I feel about Targett. Edited October 11, 2020 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Whilst an individual player can not generally claim to have a material impact on a clubs form (Grealiah aside), it definitely goes to show he's not a weak link. Maybe the rating system values a tackle that stops a probable chance over an interception that prevents a probable chance, or something that rewards Guilbert's style of play more than it is actually worth in real terms, but I never felt worried about him compared with how I feel about Targett. Guilbert also averages 2 Interceptions a game as well. Which isn't elite but is still very good. Very few players won more combined tackles and interceptions than guilbert last season. Also consider when we weren't playing guilbert we were either playing konsa out of position or Elmo who is a liability defensively. Which we couldn't afford for large portions of last season. Edited October 11, 2020 by MotoMkali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I take it back about attacking play.. he had 2 assists, compared to elmo’s 1, and even McGinns 3 having played fewer minutes than McGinn Not too shabby for a right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 13 hours ago, MotoMkali said: Well I don't get it. For most of last season excluding jack he was one of our best players with perhaps mings on really challenging him. Frankly I think we have done him dirty. In you're opinion. The coaches watched his performances and relegated him to 3rd choice. As far as I am aware - there were no sizeable offers or indeed offers at all with the exception of 1 loan ..... We will do will to get 50% of what we paid for him imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbit Feet Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Seems weird the test of the squad has been training all weekend and he’s been on holiday in Bournemouth for a few days. I mean can footballers book annual leave? Or has he been outcasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Thug said: I take it back about attacking play.. he had 2 assists, compared to elmo’s 1, and even McGinns 3 having played fewer minutes than McGinn Not too shabby for a right back Same as targett and we jizz about his attacking ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted October 12, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2020 58 minutes ago, Hobbit Feet said: Seems weird the test of the squad has been training all weekend and he’s been on holiday in Bournemouth for a few days. I mean can footballers book annual leave? Or has he been outcasted. we don't know when the OS photos were taken. and even if training was saturday morning, can still go spend the afternoon/evening in bournemouth i doubt he's been totally outcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxstock92 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 No idea how legit but with him posting on Instagram in Bournemouth a few days ago could be that he had some meeting with them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, Loxstock92 said: No idea how legit but with him posting on Instagram in Bournemouth a few days ago could be that he had some meeting with them? £26million, isn't that what we paid them for Mings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Be a great move for all parties if he's not even going to make the bench here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Straight swap for Josh King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Loxstock92 said: No idea how legit but with him posting on Instagram in Bournemouth a few days ago could be that he had some meeting with them? Indeed, he spent the weekend in Bournemouth, makes sense now. King the other way might do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Indeed, he spent the weekend in Bournemouth, makes sense now. King the other way might do too. It does, but could also just be the press getting wind of a player being in a different city and making wild assumptions. Tend to agree though, whilst it is an international break, it's odd that he'd have time to go on a weekend holiday while others are still in training. Edited October 15, 2020 by MrBlack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez1974 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Seems sensible to me...Bournemouth should be top end of the Championship and a good season will either give him the profile for a good move for both the player and club (to Bournemouth if they come up); or give him of a shot of being back in the club's thoughts. And a recall clause in January - so 10 weeks and loads of game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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