Jacob Ramsey

[Tomaszk]

9 hours ago, striker said:

I’ve seen Ramsey play many times now and i feel on the basis of what I’ve seen he will end up in the Championship at best.

It was very telling that soon as Gerrard was shipped out Ramsey was dropped.

I simply cannot see, on his performances so far, what Gerrard saw in him? A very average player at best and won’t survive any cull by Emery.

Well you're wrong I'm afraid.

He's got two and a bit seasons worth of PL football under his belt already and he's not 22 until May.

Despite being younger than Anthony Gordon, Alex Iwobi or Demari Gray, he played more league mins than any of them last season.

He is a Premier League player already. If he leaves Villa, it's to a PL side worse than us. Be a great signing for Everton.

Edited October 26, 2022 by Tomaszk

[useless]

Ramsey is our best midfielder other than probably Kamara, never mind the Championship if we don't progress as a team we will be struggling to keep hold of him for club's doing better than us wanting him. If he was to leave now he wouldn't go to Premier League club doing worse than us, as better clubs than that would be interested, if for some reason he was to become available in January he'd end up at one of the top six, wouldn't surprise me at all if Liverpool showed an interest. Staggers me that some don't realize what a good player it is that we have on our hands.

Also his passing is nowhere near as bad as people suggest, he might not be Pirlo exactly, but I think this idea of him being a bad passer is a bit of a myth.

[IrishVilla10]

9 hours ago, striker said:

I’ve seen Ramsey play many times now and i feel on the basis of what I’ve seen he will end up in the Championship at best.

It was very telling that soon as Gerrard was shipped out Ramsey was dropped.

I simply cannot see, on his performances so far, what Gerrard saw in him? A very average player at best and won’t survive any cull by Emery.

I disagree tbh, used in a more attacking sense he’s a much better player. He shouldn’t be asked to worry about covering Digne and young at left back 

[Adam2003]

12 minutes ago, useless said:

Staggers me that some don't realize what a good player it is that we have on our hands

I mean I’ve seen Jack Grealish written off as a PL player by some on here even after he dragged us into the top flight so nothing surprises me!

[useless]

I actually wrote a sprawling paragraph about Grealish but thought I'd better delete as off topic, but if you go back to Grealish in 2016 when a similar age to Ramsey now, people were saying the same about him, at the time he'd had a succesful loan at Notts County, had been one of our best players at Premier League level when brought in by Sherwood, and at that point was having his first full season as a first team player, five goals and five assists in twenty games worth of Champioship football was good going, the best ratio other than Kodjia, yet at the time he was being questioned, and even now people look back on it as if it was some sort of blip in Grealish's career, he was criminally underrated and underused that season, if we had a young player doing that well in the championship now we'd be raving about it.

I think it's naive to think we can play with two holding midfielders and Buendia as the midfield three every game, in some games we will need another specialist midfielder in there and to play Buendia as one of the front three. This is where Ramsey would be perfect as he can play that attacking midfield role very well. He's been talked about as a winger but I'm not sure about that, a lot of his good runs with the ball are from when he picks the ball up in deep areas and carries it from there, but then again he sometimes play for the youth teams as more of a wide attacker so might be something worth lookng at.

[Tom13]

11 hours ago, MotoMkali said:

So what 3 Defenders?

                Martinez

   Konsa - Chamber - Mings

Bailey - Ings - Ramsey - Buendia

           Archer - Coutinho

                  Watkins

That's really quite attacking

Beat me to it

[LondonLax]

I like him as a player but not in the roll Gerrard was asking of him. 

[Tom13]

6 hours ago, useless said:

Ramsey is our best midfielder other than probably Kamara

No chance. Douglas is streets ahead of him currently. And there's no probably about Kamara being better either - he's definitely better.

[useless]

Luiz isn't better than Ramsey, Luiz is a good player but like quite a few others in our team overrated* by some of the fans, I bet if you were to offer every other club in the league the chance of signing either Jacob Ramsey or Douglas Luiz for free most of them if not all of them would choose Ramsey.

* Overrated doesn't mean a player is bad, as it's often taken, a player can be overrated and still very decent, just not quite as good as hyped, also I actually think Luiz can improve in a double pivy with Kamara.

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by useless

[Lord Willard]

Luiz is a better midfielder than Ramsey but is 3 years ahead in progress. The potential for both of them is extremely high. Luiz has been my player of the season so far along with Young. 

His best attributes are dribbling and shooting. I'd be looking to convert him to a winger as he isn't a player to work in Emery's double pivot. 

One of the main attributes for a midfielder is passing. I don't think I've ever seen Ramsey look up and spread the ball of play. He is more one two type of passer. 

[Tom13]

FWIW I like Ramsey, but he's nowhere near the level of Douglas yet, as a CM anyway, they're completely different types of player.

[tinker]

Ramsey even found space in Gerrard's formation and was our most effective player linking up with Coutinho. Plenty of time for him to develop.

[romavillan]

6 hours ago, useless said:

I actually wrote a sprawling paragraph about Grealish but thought I'd better delete as off topic, but if you go back to Grealish in 2016 when a similar age to Ramsey now, people were saying the same about him, at the time he'd had a succesful loan at Notts County, had been one of our best players at Premier League level when brought in by Sherwood, and at that point was having his first full season as a first team player, five goals and five assists in twenty games worth of Champioship football was good going, the best ratio other than Kodjia, yet at the time he was being questioned, and even now people look back on it as if it was some sort of blip in Grealish's career, he was criminally underrated and underused that season, if we had a young player doing that well in the championship now we'd be raving about it.

I think it's naive to think we can play with two holding midfielders and Buendia as the midfield three every game, in some games we will need another specialist midfielder in there and to play Buendia as one of the front three. This is where Ramsey would be perfect as he can play that attacking midfield role very well. He's been talked about as a winger but I'm not sure about that, a lot of his good runs with the ball are from when he picks the ball up in deep areas and carries it from there, but then again he sometimes play for the youth teams as more of a wide attacker so might be something worth lookng at.

Yeah completely agree, JJ is a proper talent. I think there's a lot of different ways Emery can play his asymmetric 4-4-2 and 4-2-3-1. In a narrow 3 in the 4-2-3-1 JJ can play alongside Buendia, in the 4-4-2 he could start left sided. In an attacking 4-2-3-1 he could one of the 2 in front of the defence and told to get up the pitch as much as possible. In a more defensive 4-2-3-1 he coudl be given the 10 role in the center of the 3 and told to carry the ball from deep to get us up the pitch.

He's a really good player and I'm sure Emery will both play him and improve him.

[Jareth]

Main reason I feel players like Ramsey will excel under Emery is the demand Emery places on his players - the younger fitter hungrier ones will rise to that naturally and we all know what an athlete Ramsey is.

[avfc1982am]

8 hours ago, useless said:

Ramsey is our best midfielder other than probably Kamara

Sorry but Ramsey is not on DL's level. Not imo. 

[MrBlack]

Ramsey and DL play different roles so it's difficult to compare... if I was calling it I'd say DL has more current ability, JJ has more potential.

We do need to figure out JJ's role pretty quickly though. I think playing the Bailey role in the last game he'd shine, and that looks like it may well be the direction we go in. In a 442 I don't think Ramsey works.

[striker]

11 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

Well you're wrong I'm afraid.

He's got two and a bit seasons worth of PL football under his belt already and he's not 22 until May.

Despite being younger than Anthony Gordon, Alex Iwobi or Demari Gray, he played more league mins than any of them last season.

He is a Premier League player already. If he leaves Villa, it's to a PL side worse than us. Be a great signing for Everton.

So I guess getting regular game time under the title of ‘Pet Project’ from a manager that was rightly sacked constitutes a Premiership standard player?
 

Not for me it doesn’t and you do know he was immediately dropped by an interim manager who recognised that both Ramsey & McGinn were shite for some considerable time?

Doesn’t exactly fit your opinion does it??

[striker]

20 hours ago, PieFacE said:

Can't say I agree with this, just as I didn't agree with your opinions of Luiz. 

Ramsey is a good player, he's still very young and very raw. But he's definitely a Premier League level player. 

I don't even think Gerrard was using him in a way that compliments his strongest attributes (running at the opposition with the ball)

Far too often he was restricted in what he could do because he was covering a full back that had bombed forward. In recent games Gerrard had him playing on the wrong side of the pitch too. 

I think Emery will elevate his game. 

That’s ok. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but do you seriously think when Emery gets his feet under the table that Villa’s midfield will still consist of Ramsey, Luiz and McGinn?? I firmly believe that all three will be gone over the next two transfer windows.
 

Villa’s major weakness for quite some time has been their midfield. It’s a midfield that won’t ever get Villa finishing in a European placement!

Why do you think Kamara was brought in and Luiz was dropped?

Why do you think Ramsey & McGinn were dropped immediately by an interim manager?

I’m in no doubt whatsoever that it will be a vastly changed Villa midfield by the end of next summer and with good reason.

[villa4europe]

12 minutes ago, striker said:

So I guess getting regular game time under the title of ‘Pet Project’ from a manager that was rightly sacked constitutes a Premiership standard player?
Not for me it doesn’t and you do know he was immediately dropped by an interim manager who recognised that both Ramsey & McGinn were shite for some considerable time?

Doesn’t exactly fit your opinion does it??

the crazy thing being gerrard played him in a role that wasnt suited to his strengths

i dont think we dropped him because he's been shite but more because in that system buendia is a better player and both players need time out of the firing line for their own good

but to suggest he's not good enough to be a PL player is mental, he's already had some great games for us in the PL, scores PL goals, stars for the U21s...i think you are either underrating the player or overrating the standard of the PL

read RAWK (as a one off...) they consider him a viable alternative to bellingham if he's too expensive and I'd probably agree with that, he has potential to be the step down from bellingham, i think he's certainly ahead of curtis jones based on what ive seen for the U21s probably elliot too (but elliot has a higher ceiling), i would hope that he was named on southgates 55 man long list for the WC

[PieFacE]

19 minutes ago, striker said:

That’s ok. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but do you seriously think when Emery gets his feet under the table that Villa’s midfield will still consist of Ramsey, Luiz and McGinn?? I firmly believe that all three will be gone over the next two transfer windows.

Nope. I wouldn't think those 3 would be first choice now tbh. But doesn't mean they need to be sold.

19 minutes ago, striker said:

Why do you think Kamara was brought in and Luiz was dropped?

Because Gerrard was a moron. Luiz plays better and an 8 than a 6. Luiz and Kamara would compliment each other very well. It's McGinn who should have been dropped, not Luiz. 

21 minutes ago, striker said:

Why do you think Ramsey & McGinn were dropped immediately by an interim manager?

Because we played a double pivot and Luiz and Dendonker are best suited to that. Ramsey is more of an attack minded midfielder who will drive at the opposition as i stated previously. He's not a holding player. 

Managers making changes in systems and players will always happen at Premier League level. I don't really understand how any of the above relates to Ramsey not being good enough. A lad that came through our academy and is still learning his trade and has shown a lot of promise over the past 18 months. The kid will be at Villa for years to come.