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8 hours ago, MotoMkali said:

He played deeper against Liverpool. His role was to break up play and launch us on the counter. Against Leeds and southampton be wasn't doing that and if he isn't doing that he doesn't offer much else. 

I only listened to both games but it seemed to me as if we were playing the same shape - Luiz at "6", SJM at "8" and Barkley at "10" - so SJM, in theory, should be doing the same role as he did against Liverpool? 

Do you think there was a tactical switch that some him playing in a different way/role or was it just that his game was off?  If the former, how do you perceive that we were set up? 

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8 hours ago, MotoMkali said:

Some of your views are alright this one is terrible though. We have specialist players on the bench and they cna help us in different situations. We were chasing the game so why didn't we bring on hourihane. He creates loads of chances with his set pieces. He makes it harder to put a foul in on jack because he can play a great ball.

Against a team where we are winning and it is close nakamba can do a job. Hause is one of the best players ata winning the ball in the air in the world. Yes he needs to improve the direction and his passing but he is useful against a lot of teams.

Engels was a solid cb when fit. 

Davis foot everything but finishing. If we aren't expecting him to score he is a great sub option. If watkins or grealish are on the pitch he can get the ball to them. He doesn't have to finish it himself.

Elmo, Guilbert both solid - good premier league right backs. Elmo is a very good crosser. And guilbert is very good defensively and his overlapping makes him a threat even if he has no end product as it creates space for others. 

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1 hour ago, barry'sboots said:

I only listened to both games but it seemed to me as if we were playing the same shape - Luiz at "6", SJM at "8" and Barkley at "10" - so SJM, in theory, should be doing the same role as he did against Liverpool? 

Do you think there was a tactical switch that some him playing in a different way/role or was it just that his game was off?  If the former, how do you perceive that we were set up? 

Dean Smith stated after the Liverpool result that he went with 2 6's and one 10. So two defensive mids and one attacking mid. Against Leicester we lined up the same but were struggling so he switched to one 6 and two 8's. Then against Leeds and the first half against Southampton he continued with one 6 and two 8s. The second half against saints we went back to two 6s and one 10. 

Hope that clears up the confusion!!

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2 hours ago, Philosopher said:

Dean Smith stated after the Liverpool result that he went with 2 6's and one 10. So two defensive mids and one attacking mid. Against Leicester we lined up the same but were struggling so he switched to one 6 and two 8's. Then against Leeds and the first half against Southampton he continued with one 6 and two 8s. The second half against saints we went back to two 6s and one 10. 

Hope that clears up the confusion!!

Thank you.  Very clear.

For me, it needs to be two 6's and a 10.  Barkley doesn't do enough defensively to be an "8" and SJM is better coming from a deeper position and being disruptive.  I would actually say he is an 8 when he plays that role - i.e. he starts deeper than the "10" and has more defensive duties but is much better at breaking/getting forward than the other "6".

I thought the shift in the Leicester game was probably more due to Barkley not being 100% although my perception is an "8" has to work harder??

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On 05/11/2020 at 09:09, Delphinho123 said:

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Statistically speaking he is dude. On average the only player who won it more often last season was Carroll and hause had the highest percentage of aerial duels won in the league. He is really good at getting his head to the ball if not at aiming it. 

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20 hours ago, MotoMkali said:

Statistically speaking he is dude. On average the only player who won it more often last season was Carroll and hause had the highest percentage of aerial duels won in the league. He is really good at getting his head to the ball if not at aiming it. 

I’m not saying he’s not great in the air, he is, totally agreed. But didn’t you say he was the best in the world at it?! 

I’ll fully retract my emoji if you can back it up with stats - deal? 

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On 07/11/2020 at 15:08, Delphinho123 said:

I’m not saying he’s not great in the air, he is, totally agreed. But didn’t you say he was the best in the world at it?! 

I’ll fully retract my emoji if you can back it up with stats - deal? 

He won average of 7 aerial duels per 90. More than anyone but Carroll who had 15. In terms of everyone in the prem just per game (can't find the rest of the per 90 statistics) Deeney finished first with 7.3. And hause also had the highest success percentage in the league in terms of aerial duels 80% I don't know anyone else's percentages but that is pretty good.

Edit:Correcting stats I misremembered hause's header stats

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Changed 10.1 to 7
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On 07/11/2020 at 15:08, Delphinho123 said:

I’m not saying he’s not great in the air, he is, totally agreed. But didn’t you say he was the best in the world at it?! 

I’ll fully retract my emoji if you can back it up with stats - deal? 

 

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Unlucky to have the goal ruled out, I thought for 20 minutes after that he wasn’t in the game. That backpass could’ve been punished. But then he rolled someone with his arse, and gained confidence. Then he was back to his non stop energy and effectiveness 

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The spare part who can do any role in the side and must start every game.

Showed off some great passing today.

Is the run into the box when he slipped over twice anywhere? Would have been goal of the decade.

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Needs to play CM. That's his position for me. When you look back at his Hibs days he was a CM. Came here and got into advanced positions because we had such little going forward and it kinda snowballed. Was excellent tonight. 

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1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I still think it’s no coincidence that when he plays well the whole team plays well. He is so important to us doing well. 

He brings the balance to the team, he needs to be a bit more disciplined vs the midtable teams and we will win a lot more. 

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Three international matches for him in the next 6 days.

Understandable that he'll play 90 mins in the playoff game tomorrow but I hope he gets a rest in the next two matches. I absolutely loath the Nations League, ridiculous to have it now in the current circumstances.

If he plays 3x 90 mins I bet Smith will be furious.

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40 minutes ago, bose said:

Three international matches for him in the next 6 days.

Understandable that he'll play 90 mins in the playoff game tomorrow but I hope he gets a rest in the next two matches. I absolutely loath the Nations League, ridiculous to have it now in the current circumstances.

If he plays 3x 90 mins I bet Smith will be furious.

Needs to start taking a leaf out of the Ryan Giggs/Roy Keane international games playbook. For the meaningless games, just say he's tweaked a muscle or something. It'll benefit him in the long run.

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On 08/11/2020 at 22:32, Johnnyp said:

Needs to play CM. That's his position for me. When you look back at his Hibs days he was a CM. Came here and got into advanced positions because we had such little going forward and it kinda snowballed. Was excellent tonight. 

He is playing CM. 

If anything, some sites have him listed as playing as a DM than a CM recently.

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