Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Rodders]

Yep, just come out. Fantastic stuff all round 

[ender4]

Loved Endgame but preferred Infinity War. 

Infinity War - 10/10

Endgame - 9/10

 

[Tomaszk]

6 hours ago, lapal_fan said:

Is it as good as the first Avengers film?

I saw that at the cinema 4 times   

Proper nerded out on it. 

It's tight but I think it's better. Be interesting to see if it has the legs on rewatch because I've seen Infinity war so many times as there's nothing else to watch on planes.

Think I'll go again to this while it's in cinema

[chrisvilla4]

Well I really enjoyed that. An emotional rollercoaster. 

I lost my way a little with Marvel but stayed with Avengers and glad I did.

Brilliant film. Can't wait to see it again! 

[Tegis]

Well that was **** entertaining!!!!!

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Found my legs shivering when the main battle was coming around. Had to force myself to sit still. Last time that happened was the Ride of the Rohirrim

 

[leemond2008]

I really didn't enjoy it, I'm actually shocked at the overwhelming positive reviews it is getting from everywhere.

Yeah it was a fitting end to the story but it was massively derailed by quite a lot of different things for me.

I'll try and get online at some point tomorrow to put my problems with it in spoilers tomorrow (it's late and I'm on my phone do I can't be bothered going into too much detail and messing with the spoiler boxes etc)

I'm guessing that my opinions will be pretty unpopular anyway.

[Ginko]

I thought it was brilliant but a couple of my friends who love these films more than I do came out of it quite disappointed, so you’re not not alone @leemond2008.

I’d need to see it again for a proper deconstruction but there’s only a couple of things that irked me...

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1. Criminal underuse of The Hulk. I didn’t like what they did with his character but they at least could have got him to Hulk-out at the end? I know he was merged but, I dunno, I thought it was a bit lame.

2. So everyone’s come back as they were five years ago whereas everyone else who remained is five years older, right? Isn’t that going to create a shit-ton of continuity issues in future movies? The scene where Peter Parker returns to school implies that the kids who survived are seeing their friends who didn’t for the first time in five years, especially Peter and his friend, but shouldn’t his mate and the kids who survived all be five years older and in college by now?

I don’t really enjoy time travel in films, it causes way too many plot holes.

 

[Brumerican]

Here's £100.

Here's a kick in the nuts.

Repeat for 3 hours.

I've made £2,000,000 but my nuts really hurt.

I'm used to audience interaction from going to American cinemas but this is the first time I've seen something like this over here . You could hear people crying loudly throughout,  and when Cap went to B&Q a kid down the front jumped to his feet and screamed  " Yesssssssssssssss" like a football fan .

It isn't as good as Infinity War but as an ending they couldn't have done much better. It's not perfect but there aren't many films that can put you through the ringer like that. 

It's up there with Crocodile Dundee for sure.

 

[hogso]

2 hours ago, Ginko said:

I thought it was brilliant but a couple of my friends who love these films more than I do came out of it quite disappointed, so you’re not not alone @leemond2008.

I’d need to see it again for a proper deconstruction but there’s only a couple of things that irked me...

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1. Criminal underuse of The Hulk. I didn’t like what they did with his character but they at least could have got him to Hulk-out at the end? I know he was merged but, I dunno, I thought it was a bit lame.

2. So everyone’s come back as they were five years ago whereas everyone else who remained is five years older, right? Isn’t that going to create a shit-ton of continuity issues in future movies? The scene where Peter Parker returns to school implies that the kids who survived are seeing their friends who didn’t for the first time in five years, especially Peter and his friend, but shouldn’t his mate and the kids who survived all be five years older and in college by now?

I don’t really enjoy time travel in films, it causes way too many plot holes.

 

Re: point 2

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I believe the suggestion is that every single person at Peter's high school was in the 50% of life that was erased. Bit of a cop out, although I suppose there could be the possibility of the effects being more pronounced on Earth seeing as that's where the 'click' occurred. 

Absolutely agree with point 1. That is a really unsatisfactory end to Hulk's arc for me, unlike the other original 6 Avengers.

Having seen all of the overwhelming positive reactions before seeing it last night, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed. I was a bit of a late comer to the franchise, only caught up with all the movies at the back end of last year, so I'm not the biggest fan, but I do love spectacle that all those hours of film and budget allows on the big screen. 

I think it's top 5 in MCU movies, I don't think I'd put it in my top 3.

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Curious about the Disney streaming series, I assume Loki will be his adventures in an apparent alternate dimension with the Tesseract (let's not go there with the 'reset' that the returning of the stones should have caused!), plus the Scarlet Witch / Vison series. She kind of gave the impression she had actual contact with the dead at the end. Not sure if there's precident for that in the comics? 

 

[sne]

Well this wasn't really for me, but my friend who I went with liked it a lot.

Guess it depends on if you are invested with the characters or not. I'm not so it was all a bit boring.

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Also hate time travel in movies as it is a cop out and always has issues. But I guess it was the only  possible way to make it work

It's well made thou and the fans seem to love it.

6.5/10 for effort.

Edit: The more I think about it the worse it gets. 

Edited April 28, 2019 by sne

[Designer1]

5 minutes ago, sne said:

Guess it depends on if you are invested with the characters or not.

 

I think this is the absolute crux of it for me.

[Brumerican]

10 minutes ago, Designer1 said:

I think this is the absolute crux of it for me.

Oh for sure. I was both the kid screaming yessss and the cryer from my story. 

[tonyh29]

Just got back from it with the family 

I thought it was pretty weak tbh , infinity war has survived numerous re-runs in our house on Sky , I don’t see this one getting the same treatment 

it had some usual Marvel funny bits that hit the mark but it was too long too bloated and too much shoehorned sentiment ... too many annoying bits in the film but listing them would involve many spoiler boxes 

it wasn't helped by everyone deciding it’s a film to take their 8 year old kids to , who aren’t capable of sitting still for 3 hours ... after the 28th kid exiting for a wee and leaving the door open you’d think future wee kids would recall how **** annoying it was .. but no kids aren’t programmed that way so the door spent most of them film open !!

maybe it was other people that stopped me really enjoying it , maybe a second showing at home will give it a more favourable outlook..

 

 

Edited April 27, 2019 by tonyh29

[Don_Simon]

Just back from seeing it, 3/5 for me. Underwhelmed is my best word for it. 

[StefanAVFC]

Just saw it but I have gaps in my Marvel watchlist.

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Captain Marvel is just a win condition isn't she?

 

[Zatman]

I think it was an enjoyable end to the series which other films couldnt achieve, looking at you Return of the King  Ruffalo and Hemsworth were standouts though Thor has been very enjoyable since leaving Asgard. Good to see Korg back too  FWIW I think Thanos was actually the good guy

Was one scene at the end which anti Captain Marvel fanboys are probably still bitter about 

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the female characters all ganging up together

 

Edited April 28, 2019 by Zatman

[Chindie]

Hot take reaction.

I can't recall a film that has given me so many spine tingling moments.

[Chindie]

10 hours ago, StefanAVFC said:

Just saw it but I have gaps in my Marvel watchlist.

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Captain Marvel is just a win condition isn't she?

 

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She's exceptionally powerful but other powerful beings can match her. Basically she can waltz through anything bar 'the big bad'. The same is true of, for instance, post Ragnarok Thor.

She's not a very good character. And never has been.

 

[Dodgyknees]

Saw it again today, still really liked it. Weird to hear people laughing, crying, cheering, clapping, all for one single film.

I do hope the kid who kept locking the back of my chair enjoyed it too. Little shit.

[Chindie]

Avengers Endgame

It comes to this. 11 years. We thought that Infinity War would wrap up the stories that began with Iron Man in 2008, but that film left us with a near unprecedented cliffhanger as our heroes ultimately lost their greatest challenge.

Endgame has unenviable task. It has to follow perhaps the biggest blockbuster of all time, and follow an incredibly sombre ending. It has to convincingly follow that loss with a way to have our heroes victorious. It has to raise the stakes of spectacle even higher.

It faces those hurdles admirably.

Opening with an unexpectedly tasteful scene of us seeing the impact of Thanos' actions on perhaps the most... human... Avenger, Hawkeye, the film engages on a journey that is a breakneck run through of closure, melancholy, fan service, conflict and ultimately serenity.

I suspect some people will be surprised where the film goes in its plot. Many who have followed the development of the films will have had an inkling from set photos, but even with that knowledge it's undeniable the swell of joy some of the twists and turns it takes to get there, with some of those even catching the hardcore off guard no doubt.

There are wonderful scenes in this film. I can't recall a film that had my spine tingling quite so often with swells of anticipation at scenes, shots, moments, musical cues. There are dozens of them. And a great many pluck at your emotions even deeper. So many moments are undercut with sadness, or tug at a sense of awe, or have deep catharsis. A quiet, near throwaway moment with Thor demonstrates this nicely. Thor is counseled by a figure of importance to him, who says at one moment 'the years have been unkind to you'. It's somewhat played for a gag, but there's pathos beneath that feels well earned, in a way very few films can manage.

There's almost no point talking about the cast. Many of them are iconic in these roles now. They're all great. A few unexpected faces get to shine a little brighter than usual, but ultimately everyone here is on top note form.

It's beautiful. CGI is excellent. Cinematography great. Design is superb (special nod to whoever decided that it was about time Cap got some scale mail). There are scenes of immense spectacle to take your breath away, and there are quiet scenes shot delicately that accentuate the emotion of it all.

It has the requisite Marvel humour, even with the sombre feel of much of it, and somehow manages to not feel as tonally disjointed as something like Guardians 2 does. I don't think it's the funniest of the series, there's a few gags that just feel a little weak on the standards of the series, but it's still a funny movie.

It has some outstanding action moments, stuff that recalls the best of the all time action films everywhere (theres a scene I swear is in the film solely to let a nice homage to a certain sci-fi series the Russo's seem to like happen). The climax recalls a certain film heavily, and that is not a bad thing. There is a scene that conjures another modern all time shuffle forward in your seat and grab the arm rests in case the swelling of your heart causes you to damage the ceiling moment.

Is it better than Infinity War? No.

For all the good here, it's not perfect. It's a far messier film than Infinity War. That film was like witchcraft, and should have fallen apart, but it's framework of 3 plots linked by Thanos is brilliant, as taut as can be, and is a superlative foundation. Endgame doesn't have that. It attempts something similar, by in essence making it's 3 acts be 3 short films, but it doesn't work as well. The idea is sound, and it's the only way they could do the story they wanted to here and not have the thing collapse under its own weight, but each of these little films has to cram so much in you can nearly hear the foundations creaking. It's most notable in the second act, which effectively tries to do the same trick Infinity War did on a smaller scale. There's too much going on, and it means that some of it gets shorter shrift, while other bits are expanded (though for the avoidance of doubt, those expanded bits were bloody worth it). Structurally it all comes to a less tight whole than Infinity War. Still good, but doesn't quite have that rare feeling a well 'built' film has, where it all feels effortless, natural and flowing. Endgame you often can feel the gear change, sense the engine pushing a little harder.

I'm also not a fan of the way one character is taken. There's a nice idea developed with the character that I'm totally on board with, but they then choose to take a different path with it that felt like a missed opportunity. It's easy to see why that decision was made, but still it's not one I like. It also leads one of the more awkward but practical costume choices I've seen in recent years in any film, but I suspect I'm well in the minority to have noticed or been annoyed by it.

There's also the problem of the plot itself. It goes down a well trodden rabbit hole that always, always, always creates problems in and of itself, and will almost inevitably get some backs up from the get go. The film even understands this itself and has a bit of dialogue that may as well have had the characters turn directly to screen and say 'don't think about it'. I'm fairly sure in the fullness of time the plot is going to be analysed and there's going to be holes all over it, even with the established 'rules'.

There's a few other nitpicks. Many were concerned that Captain Marvel would be used as some Thanos beating Deus ex machina. Thankfully, the film deftly avoids that, by making her near irrelevant. There's a moment with her that's near spitting distance to being like Poochie in the Simpsons. The climax also has a scene that feels more than a little shoehorned in, and took me out of the film for a moment. I know why it's there, and I'm down for why its there, but it's done with the subtlety of a sledgehammer hitting a Fabergé egg. I was sat there thinking 'they couldn't have thought of a better way to do this?'. There's also a gag that's going to age horrifically badly that they really shouldn't have put in.

But **** me is there not a lot about this film that's awesome. It's very fan service-y, but I don't think there's anything in there that's in there for no reason. There's callbacks and payoffs everywhere in it, and the climax has one of my favourite scenes in the whole damn franchise.

It's really very good. It's a film about closure. Closure for characters. Arcs that have run for a decade now are given conclusions. Some of them more subtle, others very pointedly so. It's a nicely satisfying conclusion. It's the final page on a book that's going to have a sequel eventually, where a lot of things have changed.

It's quite a thing.

Edited April 28, 2019 by Chindie