Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted March 23, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2017 11 hours ago, Arj Guy said: Well done. 95% plus probably around 99% of terrorism is committed by jihadists. But never mind we'll ignore the statistics and just pull up this. Brilliant I guess it depends on how you define terrorism. One man's terrorism is another man's war, and vice versa. My point was to subtly illustrate that not all terrorism is derived from Islam, and if people on the far right of the political spectrum believe that Muslims should be kicked out and banned or whatever, you could take your "statistic" and say that as far as the UK is concerned 99% of terrorism is committed by Irish Christians. Rewind back as recently as the mid-late 90s and it was ALL ABOUT Irish terrorism as far as the UK was concerned. I've covered this point several times before on VT, but compare yesterday with the pub bombings in Birmingham, or the bombings in Manchester, Warrington, the Tory conference in Brighton. But yeah, brown people. So... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Wainy316 said: Why do they absolutely never catch these bastards alive? Surely it's as easy to shoot them in the leg? Don't give them the glory in death they crave. Make him stare at a blank wall for the rest of his life after poking his bullet holes a bit for info first. The killers of Lee Rigby were caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted March 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: The west has a soft underbelly that lets this disease fester What gives you the impression we have a soft underbelly? As Trent as alluded to in previous posts what we have here is a democratic, liberal and tolerant society that allows free speech and people to follow whatever religion they choose be it Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism, Cathology, Judaism etc etc and just like the atheists amongst us 99.999% of them do so in a peaceful manner. What we won’t tolerate is extremists but you can’t tackle that at the expense of being the things I mention above, being a liberal, democratic, tolerant society, as if you do then you are giving the extremists the biggest victory they will ever achieve. It is what they want. I was speaking to someone at work earlier about all this and we both agreed that given how easy it is to simply get in a vehicle and mow tens of people down or take out a kitchen knife and stab someone you’d think it would be more widespread and we’d have more of these type of terrorist attacks. The reason we don’t is that I don’t think we have as many of the extremists amongst us as some believe. They are a tiny minority that need addressing but you don’t do that by becoming an intolerant society. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted March 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: It will be difficult of course but if this gives us a 1% chance of making the country safer and saving lives surely it's worth investing our taxes on? If we'd saved 1% of the 5 people who died yesterday, there would still be 5 people dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted March 23, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2017 Some people will only tolerate jackboots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 23, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, TrentVilla said: No but then we don't use capital punishment and remove people's heads in public as a display of control. Although Katie Hopkins makes it tempting at times.... We are fortunate to live in a free, democratic and liberal society. We have to embrace that and be grateful for it. We also need to protect it in the face of creeping state surveillance of everyone (except MP's) although I differ from some on where I draw that particular boundary. Yes we need to tackle extremism and those who preach hate (irrespective of their colour or religion) and take advantage of the freedoms most of us take for granted. Your post implies that it is the Saudi's that have things right not us and that very clearly isn't the case. Perhaps you didn't mean that and you were just pointing out the imbalance of tolerance between the two countries, in which case I agree only I think that's a positive about Britain not a negative. Good post, though MPs are spied on too. Quote MPs’ communications are not protected from surveillance by intelligence agencies, a court has ruled. The surprise ruling from the Investigative Powers Tribunal (IPT) found that MPs and other parliamentarians were not protected by the so-called Wilson Doctrine. The tribunal's decision came in response to a claim brought by Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, Baroness Jenny Jones and former MP George Galloway, that revelations from Edward Snowden showed that MPs’ communications were being spied on. Plus recent events showing the Met Police illegally hacking politicians e mails etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 hours ago, will87 said: What are they classing as a terrorist attack though, throwing a brick through a window? Letting the air out of someones tires? According to those reports there were 103 'terrorist attacks' in the UK in 2015, I doubt many of them even made the local news. Of the 151 deaths in Europe as a result of terrorism that year, Jihadism accounted for 150 of them, it will be a similar story for 2016. It's the nature of the attacks that makes Jihadism the biggest threat to Europe as far as terrorism goes. Almost all the attacks were some kind of IED/explosive. The point was his assertion that 99% of attacks jihadist and not what the biggest threat is per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I believe the definition of terrorism is politically motivated violence. So technically if you threw a brick through your MP's window because you disagree with their politics, you'd technically be a terrorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 This is just tragic stuff. A similar thing happened here 2 months ago when a car was driven through Melbourne's city mall, killing 6 people, including a 10 year old girl and a 3 month baby in a pram that was being wheeled by his mother. Over 30 people were injured as well. The difference was that the person responsible wasn't a terrorist, but just a nutjob. I cant find exactly, but has it been officially confirmed as a terrorist attack? Horrible thing to have happened, and condolences to all the families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Not surprised to arrests/ people being questioned in Birmingham. Birmingham is a hot bed for this sort of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Has anything come out yet about how the officer was stabbed? Are officers in high security areas not wearing stab vests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Attacker was British and the security services looked in to him years ago but he was a peripheral figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: I guess it depends on how you define terrorism. One man's terrorism is another man's war, and vice versa. My point was to subtly illustrate that not all terrorism is derived from Islam, and if people on the far right of the political spectrum believe that Muslims should be kicked out and banned or whatever, you could take your "statistic" and say that as far as the UK is concerned 99% of terrorism is committed by Irish Christians. Rewind back as recently as the mid-late 90s and it was ALL ABOUT Irish terrorism as far as the UK was concerned. I've covered this point several times before on VT, but compare yesterday with the pub bombings in Birmingham, or the bombings in Manchester, Warrington, the Tory conference in Brighton. But yeah, brown people. So... Yes and a man has just died who may have been involved in a lot of those IRA attacks. but its the past now and we have the peace agreement so they are not a threat anymore unlike Islamic terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, PaulC said: Yes and a man has just died who may have been involved in a lot of those IRA attacks. but its the past now and we have the peace agreement so they are not a threat anymore unlike Islamic terrorists. This completely misses the point of NV's post... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted March 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2017 Last year at least 71 people were accidentally killed as pedestrians in London. In 2017, there has already been 17 cyclist/pedestrian deaths... In London. In 2016, there were 0 (zero) deaths as a result of terrorist attacks in London. In 2017, 5 people have been killed as a result of terrorist attacks in London. We're incredibly lucky to have London as our capital city. A city with a population of 8.674 MILLION people. There is absolutely, no way of controlling everybody's actions. Nor would I want to live in a place where that was true - imagine everything you did, on a phone, computer, actively did through work, in your downtime - all recorded.. Just in case you did something you weren't meant to. Every time you when 35mph in a 30 zone, by accident or on purpose, punished.. It would be horrible. These terrorist attacks make international news, instantly. Within 2 minutes there were 100s of cameras looking towards the spots where people were killed. It's really easy to say what you see (if you see it, say it). But it's hard to put it into a context in the wider situation. You're more likely to kill yourself by accident than you are by a terrorist.. Would being killed by a terrorist be fun? **** no! But you have to put it into context. Based on the stats above, should we be banning cars? Put unbreakable defenses where pedestrians and cyclists go? Of course not. And nor should we pump money we haven't got, on a problem that is so, so, so unlikely. Get on with your life, be as happy as you can, be as kind as you can and when you're a bit flush, give something back (not necessarily money, time is a great thing). 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: Why do they absolutely never catch these bastards alive? Surely it's as easy to shoot them in the leg? Don't give them the glory in death they crave. Make him stare at a blank wall for the rest of his life after poking his bullet holes a bit for info first. I dunno I'd prefer them dead. In prison they'd probably get released after a few years. Plus whilst in there they would be attempting to convert others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 31 minutes ago, PaulC said: Yes and a man has just died who may have been involved in a lot of those IRA attacks. but its the past now and we have the peace agreement so they are not a threat anymore unlike Islamic terrorists. 28 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: This completely misses the point of NV's post... Also there was a bomb attack targeting the police in Northern Ireland this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: I dunno I'd prefer them dead. In prison they'd probably get released after a few years. Plus whilst in there they would be attempting to convert others. The Rigby killers got 40 years iirc. That's the longest prison sentence I can recall seeing for a single act. it is not just a few years. Perhaps it should be 'until they die there' but it certainly isnt a few years. Not including those who serve consecutive sentences of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof hearted Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said: I guess it depends on how you define terrorism. One man's terrorism is another man's war, and vice versa. My point was to subtly illustrate that not all terrorism is derived from Islam, and if people on the far right of the political spectrum believe that Muslims should be kicked out and banned or whatever, you could take your "statistic" and say that as far as the UK is concerned 99% of terrorism is committed by Irish Christians. Rewind back as recently as the mid-late 90s and it was ALL ABOUT Irish terrorism as far as the UK was concerned. I've covered this point several times before on VT, but compare yesterday with the pub bombings in Birmingham, or the bombings in Manchester, Warrington, the Tory conference in Brighton. But yeah, brown people. So... Skin colour has nothing to do with anything as far as im concerned, great post till that sly dig at anyone who questions Islam. The west is no place for such archaic cults (Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Christianity in all its forms, Jedi) and the arguments about X amount of attacks worldwide are in the name of Y religion is a moot point as at the heart of the problem is religion in general, the, quite frankly, playground like stance they take when criticised and the medias unmitigated left wing support of them (I've no doubt the BBC will blame Hyundai before religion for yesterday's attack). Please don't however shout people down as racist for not liking a particular religion, it's not cool and is an easy cop out used by people who don't really have a valid argument. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just saw this on reddit. If it's real that is heart breaking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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