wilko154 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, osmark86 said: Amazing, the last one looks like Paul Hollywood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 56 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Just read the article. He is still making out we over achieved last season. He must really believe that we did. He what???? **** sake. If he honestly.believes that then he has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: He what???? **** sake. If he honestly.believes that then he has to go. If he doesn't believe it can he stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: His style has got teams up in the past. It's the future I'm concerned with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 hours ago, markavfc40 said: We paid well over the odds for Hogan but aside from that I think he has done well in terms of money spent. Hourihane, Lansbury, Bree, Bjarnason, Elmo, Whelan cost a combined 11 mill. Also picked up Terry and Samba on frees. Taylor came in a swap with Ayew and a few mill our way. The issue for me has not been in who he signed but in not quite getting enough out of them as the squad he assembled was good enough to get promotion last season. I am so far on the fence in terms of Bruce I have splinters ingrained in my arse. I can see the sense in keeping him and also see the justification in getting rid. I guess the deciding factor would be who we would replace him with. Im no Bruce fan but main reason to keep him is that he is the first manager in a long time to unite the dressing room 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 6 hours ago, Chicken Field said: I never wanted Bruce, I hate his "style" I hate the football, results haven't been good enough to justify his "brand" of football. But I do not think we are in the right place to fire him and hire someone that wants to change the style of play (unless we are allowed to spend cash). We are stuck with so many players, that we just aren't able to add to the club, so now is not the right time to implement a better and new style, as we simply don't have the players or the optione to sign players for it. Sadly, I would stick with Bruce, as he has proven himself good at anti football, but I would seriously limit what he could sign, short term contracts only and also inform him that his rolling contract is finished next season (if that is possible to do). Thierry Henry is also a serious gamble, can't see him working successfully with Hutton, Whelan, Jedinak and Co. can imagine him likiing players with more flair and creativity. This is from someone that has wanted Bruce out the second we got him, have always hated him as a manager, and will always continue to do so. I think it would be fair to say that any manager worth a salary would prefer flair and creativity over Hutton, Whelan, Jedinak, and co. But I also think that MANY managers could integrate those into a team with some footballing ability better than Bruce has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: I think it would be fair to say that any manager worth a salary would prefer flair and creativity over Hutton, Whelan, Jedinak, and co. But I also think that MANY managers could integrate those into a team with some footballing ability better than Bruce has. Houllier tried do same thing and Dunne and Collins were better on ball than them 3 and it never worked You need a full pre-season to implement a change of style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, osmark86 said: Top right is a winner, he looks like a garden gnome Edited July 21, 2018 by bannedfromHandV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, Zatman said: Im no Bruce fan but main reason to keep him is that he is the first manager in a long time to unite the dressing room Not that old chestnut,again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vreitti Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Zatman said: You need a full pre-season to implement a change of style Bruce could have a hundred preseasons and we wouldn't see a change of style. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, vreitti said: Bruce could have a hundred preseasons and we wouldn't see a change of style. Thst is certainly 10000000% true but argument was about replacing him atbthis stage of season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 The argument seems to be that Bruce should stay because it’s too close to the start of the season to make a change. . I understand the argument for that. We had big problems when MON walked out, vindictively in my opinion. The main problem is all the decent managers are in place and reluctant to jump ship once they’ve signed players and made personal commitments etc. But we are in a unique situation having just swapped owners and of course circumstances. If a change of manager has been planned behind the scenes and work has been done on achieving that, then that is different to being dumped on by MON back then. Making a change in a few weeks time if we start like last season is more of an issue, being relatively unplanned. You would think decent managers won’t be anymore or less available in a few weeks time than they are now. Who we get is of course a different issue regardless of timing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Zatman said: Im no Bruce fan but main reason to keep him is that he is the first manager in a long time to unite the dressing room Yeah I suppose, just a shame he couldn't unite us on the pitch with better football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: The argument seems to be that Bruce should stay because it’s too close to the start of the season to make a change. . I understand the argument for that. We had big problems when MON walked out, vindictively in my opinion. The main problem is all the decent managers are in place and reluctant to jump ship once they’ve signed players and made personal commitments etc. But we are in a unique situation having just swapped owners and of course circumstances. If a change of manager has been planned behind the scenes and work has been done on achieving that, then that is different to being dumped on by MON back then. Making a change in a few weeks time if we start like last season is more of an issue, being relatively unplanned. You would think decent managers won’t be anymore or less available in a few weeks time than they are now. Who we get is of course a different issue regardless of timing. Great article Dave and agree with you. Now is no better time to change managers. I think if we are, I wouldn't want Henry knowing that Rafa Benithez is only a £6m clause away? He was only staying at Newcastle cause of this takeover saga which looks to have dried up, yet ours has started completion stages so to speak. Just my 2 euros worth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted July 22, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2018 The arguments abotu stability and too close to the start fo the season will look pretty sketchy if we have a shit start again. Then if he needs to go and we have to get someone in, they will have no preseason, no matter how short to sort anything out without there being a game every 3 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 A new manager will need time to look at the squad. Bruce has shown his commitment to the club and put aside personal grief to try to get us up. Ultimately he didn't hit the promotion target and the decision for our new owners is should they stick or twist by appointing a new man and hoping that he can hit the ground running? It looks a bit 50/50 currently, we will soon know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 7 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: Not that old chestnut,again ? Is it not true though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 9 hours ago, wilko154 said: Amazing, the last one looks like Paul Hollywood Bottom left would probably be called Paul Hardwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Almost sounds like he knows his days are probably numbered. Taking it with dignity. Fair play. I’m sure the few million compensation would soften any blow of being sacked if it’s to happen. People keep citing this money thing - isn’t he on a rolling contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted July 22, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: People keep citing this money thing - isn’t he on a rolling contract? essenitally he always has a full year ahead of him, so would get a full year as compo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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